Virginia Tech publishes final ‘Weapons on Campus’ regulation

[gc70]

Even so, it seems to me that college kids are not mature enough to carry firearms.
The brain is not fully developed until age 25.

Did your college have an age limit of 24 for students.

 

[Shoobee]

Nobody at my university would have dreamed of bringing a weapon onto campus.

No reason too.

Weapons stayed at home, for the firearms enthusiasts.

 

[Twmaster]

Lucky you didn't have Cho as a fellow student ....

 

[Sam1911]

I went to a private university that thugs could not afford to get into.

So the high fences and armed guards at the gates kept the bad guys out? So there were NO rapes, assaults, or homicides on/around your college campus? Really? Yes, of course there were.

As James Thurber once wrote, "He who goes unarmed in paradise had better be sure that's where he is." You WEREN'T.

Even so, it seems to me that college kids are not mature enough to carry firearms.
The brain is not fully developed until age 25. And that's way past college daze.

And yet, every state that does not prohibit concealed carry will issue a permit to those over 21, and some at 18. But, I guess if you're in college maybe you don't have/deserve the same rights?

Pepper sprays and mace sprays always seem appropriate however, for all students, especially for the girls.

Californian and sexist at the same time? I thought that was against the law!

Nobody at my university would have dreamed of bringing a weapon onto campus.

Hee hee...you think? So you didn't see a weapon on campus during your years there. I promise you they WERE there as folks (good ones and bad ones, too) not only "dreamed of" bringing weapons on campus, but went ahead and did it!

 

[tyeo098]

George Mason U and VCU appear to be exceptions. With Progressives ,there are always exceptions. See Handgun Law.

http://handgunlaw.us/states/virginia.pdf

But thats in the buildings. Anywhere on campus, outside is fair game.

Possession or carrying of any weapon by any person, except a police officer, is prohibited on university
property in academic buildings, administrative office buildings, student residence buildings, dining facilities,
or while attending sporting, entertainment or educational events.

 

[NavyLCDR]

I went to a private university that thugs could not afford to get into.

For public colleges and universities, I can see where this would be a problem though.

Even so, it seems to me that college kids are not mature enough to carry firearms.

The brain is not fully developed until age 25. And that's way past college daze.

Pepper sprays and mace sprays always seem appropriate however, for all students, especially for the girls.

Nobody at my university would have dreamed of bringing a weapon onto campus.

No reason too.

Weapons stayed at home, for the firearms enthusiasts.

I've heard it all now!

Heck, Johnny....I've heard all that before.... just not on a PRO-gun forum.

 

[JohnBT]

"I went to a private university that thugs could not afford to get into."

Maybe not when you attended, but now many of the top schools in the country provide 100% financial aid to those who can't afford it. The eight Ivy League schools will cover everything in many cases. Here's Harvard's policy.

"The Harvard Financial Aid Initiative, which was launched in early 2004, exempts families with annual incomes below $60,000 from having to contribute anything to a child's Harvard education. "

 

[Old Fuff]

So Shoobee said...

Even so, it seems to me that college kids are not mature enough to carry firearms.

Really? Well next door to California in Arizona anyone who is 18 or older can own and carry handguns, unless they are a prohibited person.

So far that doesn't include on college campuses, but we are working on that.

I suppose you'd expect that all of those immature teens and early twenty's young folks would be shooting up a storm and blood would be running in the streets. After all, according to you their brains aren't fully developed yet.

Truth is, nothing of the sort is going on. Our law enforcement experience doesn't show any extraordinary problem with those in this age group, regardless if they are in college or not.

So I have to presume that those in the 18 to 21 year old age group in Arizona must be much more mature then those that live west of us where you are.

Ya' think?

 

[Elkins45]

Poor does not equal thug. Rapists come from high-wage families too.

 

[JohnPierce]

George Mason U and VCU appear to be exceptions. With Progressives ,there are always exceptions. See Handgun Law.

http://handgunlaw.us/states/virginia.pdf

Read my article more closely. The reason that GMU and VCU were exceptions is because they promulgated REGULATIONS (which in VA have the force and effect of law). The whole point of the article was that, after AG Cuccinelli's opinion that UVA's POLICY was trumped by VA law whereas GMUs regulation was not, there have been over half-a-dozen REGULATIONS promulgated. I list them all in the article.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Read my article more closely. The reason that GMU and VCU were exceptions is because they promulgated REGULATIONS (which in VA have the force and effect of law).

Can I ask what are the criminal punishments associated with violating these regulations? Fines and/or jail sentences possible?

 

[JohnPierce]

Can I ask what are the criminal punishments associated with violating these regulations? Fines and/or jail sentences possible?

Generally such regulations give rise to the possibility of a criminal trespassing charge.

 

[jad0110]

Even so, it seems to me that college kids are not mature enough to carry firearms.
The brain is not fully developed until age 25. And that's way past college daze.

How old do you think the typical rifleman or machine gunner in the Army or USMC is? Do you believe we need to increase the minimum age of enlistment to 26? Same for LEOs? Heck, some of those guys are trusted with multimillion dollar aircraft, and most do just fine.

I went to a private university that thugs could not afford to get into.

So you actually have to be enrolled in a university before you can go on a shooting rampage? Who would of thunk it?

 

[NG VI]

Even so, it seems to me that college kids are not mature enough to carry firearms.

The brain is not fully developed until age 25. And that's way past college daze.

Pepper sprays and mace sprays always seem appropriate however, for all students, especially for the girls.

Too bad pepper spray is defined as a weapon and possession of it is treated the same as possession of any other weapon. Meaning expulsion.

Is it reasonable to expel or even pursue some charge or other against students found carrying pepper spray?

I don't think it is. I don't think it's reasonable to penalize people like that. It seems that many people equate campus bans with bans from possessing weapons on board commercial planes. That doesn't work at all, because there is no campus in America that travels hundreds of miles an hour, with a closed population, isolated from every other human by miles of open air, and who have all been thoroughly scanned and screened and searched ahead of time.

Colleges do not exist in a (practical) vacuum, unlike airliners. Fighting to restrict your student's ability to successfully drive off or defeat an attack is wrong. That's the aspect many don't seem to get about 'weapons' on campus. There are large groups of people actively fighting to make absolutely sure that their students are held to TSA standards in regards to weapons, regardless of the truth that those students are not temporarily inside of a secure facility full of likewise surveilled and screened people.

There's no question about why a responsible person might want to have a firearm or other weapon on their person or in their home, in general or on campus only, we know why it's a good idea to be capable defending your life from an otherwise superior threat. The real question is, what is objectively gained by preventing responsible adults from having the tools to survive a life threatening attack?

 

[NG VI]

Quote:
I went to a private university that thugs could not afford to get into.

So the high fences and armed guards at the gates kept the bad guys out? So there were NO rapes, assaults, or homicides on/around your college campus? Really? Yes, of course there were.

As James Thurber once wrote, "He who goes unarmed in paradise had better be sure that's where he is." You WEREN'T.

The image I came up with was of a walled-off campus with turnstiles onto the street that scan your prior year tax returns and do a credit report on you before letting you in.

 

[NavyLCDR]

So, the claim is made that these regulations have the force of law. However, if a person is carrying in violation of these regulations, no citation can be issued because there is no statute violated and no criminal punishment specified for violation. In other words, the university can ask the person to leave campus because of their gun, and if they don't, they can be cited for trespass. The police have no means to cite the person for carrying the gun only, because they are not violating an actual statute, only a college regulation.

To me, when something "has the force of law" it means that the police can arrest you or issue you a citation for the act of violating the prohibition itself.

 

[Hacker15E]

If only they'd had this policy on the books in 2007 -- would have solved....well, absolutely nothing.

 

[brickeyee]

If only they'd had this policy on the books in 2007 -- would have solved....well, absolutely nothing.

But now they have 'Done something.' :banghead:

 

[JohnBT]

And it only took them FIVE YEARS.

John
Class of '72