Range Ninja
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One more thing I'd like to add, If I'm being mugged I reasonably think I'm in substantial risk of death and or bodily injury - and I will act accordingly.
What's in his nasssty pocketsesss?
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Gixerman1000
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Nice, and it is just fine the way it is.
Stand_Watie
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If you reasonably believe that he may kill or seriously injure you it's not murder (sunset or not). Otherwise it's dependant upon whether or not he's actually already gotten your money.
keyhole
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Great job Oleg! Another Gold Medal!
Archie
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Oleg, I'm honored.
And I think any other round count weapon would just not have the same 'song' to it.
F'rinstance: "If he demands five, offer him seventeen." See? The 'five' and 'six' have a connection. It 'sings'.
I suppose one could show a large capacity autopistol and make the caption
"If he demands five, offer to up the ante."
The only other asthetically pleasing combination would be a S&W Chief's Special, and the caption would be
"If he demands five, offer him five."
or
"If he demands five, offer to oblige."
And I think any other round count weapon would just not have the same 'song' to it.
F'rinstance: "If he demands five, offer him seventeen." See? The 'five' and 'six' have a connection. It 'sings'.
I suppose one could show a large capacity autopistol and make the caption
"If he demands five, offer to up the ante."
The only other asthetically pleasing combination would be a S&W Chief's Special, and the caption would be
"If he demands five, offer him five."
or
"If he demands five, offer to oblige."
TonyB
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I always said I'd give up money to a robber.....50 cents at a time(the cost of 38+P+ ammo)
M2 Carbine
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Don Gwinn
Actually, Johnson, that one IS murder, even in Texas. . . . . .
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Actually it IS NOT murder in Texas.
TX law
"(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime"
("NIGHTTIME" refers ONLY to theft or criminal mischief.)
("IMMINENT COMMISSION of......robbery")
True example,
Man is jogging and is stopped by man demanding money. (no gun shown)
Jogger pulls out a 38 and kills Mugger.
Jogger is "No Billed" by Grand Jury.
You are not only protecting your property (money) but you are protecting yourself from possible harm.
TX law
"PC§9.32. Deadly force in defense of person.
(a) A person is justified in using deadly force against another:
(A) to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; OR
(B) to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery."
("aggravated" means if they have a weapon)
(it's interesting that you can shoot to stop a "aggravated kidnapping" but not a "kidnapping")
You folks that live in the repressive socialist states really need to take your rights and state governments back.
Actually, Johnson, that one IS murder, even in Texas. . . . . .
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Actually it IS NOT murder in Texas.
TX law
"(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime"
("NIGHTTIME" refers ONLY to theft or criminal mischief.)
("IMMINENT COMMISSION of......robbery")
True example,
Man is jogging and is stopped by man demanding money. (no gun shown)
Jogger pulls out a 38 and kills Mugger.
Jogger is "No Billed" by Grand Jury.
You are not only protecting your property (money) but you are protecting yourself from possible harm.
TX law
"PC§9.32. Deadly force in defense of person.
(a) A person is justified in using deadly force against another:
(A) to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; OR
(B) to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery."
("aggravated" means if they have a weapon)
(it's interesting that you can shoot to stop a "aggravated kidnapping" but not a "kidnapping")
You folks that live in the repressive socialist states really need to take your rights and state governments back.
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MagKnightX
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I think he was referring to the fact that the mugger was retreating. I think that once they retreat, you cannot shoot them. Though, if you want to make a citizen's arrest, there is always the classic "Stop or I'll shoot!"
BHPshooter
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That's a pretty cool idea.
I like the latest caption, Oleg.
Wes
M2 Carbine
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"MagKnightX,
I think he was referring to the fact that the mugger was retreating. I think that once they retreat, you cannot shoot them. Though, if you want to make a citizen's arrest, there is always the classic "Stop or I'll shoot!"
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As long as they still have your property (money) you CAN shoot them.
(if there is no other immediate way to recover your property)
If you SEE them drop your property, you can NOT shoot because you are no longer protecting or trying to recover your property.
True example
Girl with 22 confronts a man in the garage.
Man takes power tool.
Girl tells him to put it down and get out.
He tries to leave with tool (property)
Girl shoots him. (I don't remember if she killed him or not)
(obviously the girl can not overpower the man to recover her property)
"TX law
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury."
I think he was referring to the fact that the mugger was retreating. I think that once they retreat, you cannot shoot them. Though, if you want to make a citizen's arrest, there is always the classic "Stop or I'll shoot!"
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As long as they still have your property (money) you CAN shoot them.
(if there is no other immediate way to recover your property)
If you SEE them drop your property, you can NOT shoot because you are no longer protecting or trying to recover your property.
True example
Girl with 22 confronts a man in the garage.
Man takes power tool.
Girl tells him to put it down and get out.
He tries to leave with tool (property)
Girl shoots him. (I don't remember if she killed him or not)
(obviously the girl can not overpower the man to recover her property)
"TX law
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury."
spacemanspiff
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tell you what MMCall, put your finger in your pocket and point it at the nearest cop, while saying "gimme your wallet punk!"
i think maybe you are still under the assumption that the best advice is to 'comply with your attackers demands'.
that advice may have been useful 15-20 years ago when the average criminal was afraid of being charged with murder. nowadays, murderers dont always have to face their entire prison sentence and thanks to the inept justice system, they may not even see any jail time. so the average criminal today doesnt give a hoot if they kill their victim.
and a criminal does not have to display a deadly weapon in order to make their intended victim fear for their life.
i think maybe you are still under the assumption that the best advice is to 'comply with your attackers demands'.
that advice may have been useful 15-20 years ago when the average criminal was afraid of being charged with murder. nowadays, murderers dont always have to face their entire prison sentence and thanks to the inept justice system, they may not even see any jail time. so the average criminal today doesnt give a hoot if they kill their victim.
and a criminal does not have to display a deadly weapon in order to make their intended victim fear for their life.
Johnny Guest
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Or, or, or else - - -
(Image of a J-frame Smith - - -)
"If he demands five, LET HIM HAVE IT!"
Hey, just kidding! Honest, I'm a pacifist.
Johnny
(Image of a J-frame Smith - - -)
"If he demands five, LET HIM HAVE IT!"
Hey, just kidding! Honest, I'm a pacifist.
Johnny
Uh, no, but thanks for playing. I was simply saying that the original wording of the illustration didn't imply imminent threat of physical force on the mugger's side, and could have been misleading.
Each situation is unique, and would be judged accordingly.
cls12vg30
Member
I'd also like to see something like this with other weapons, while "Offer him seventeen" with a Glock may not flow to nicely, I think a Makarov with the caption, "If a mugger threatens your life for a five, offer him eight." sounds okay. (Or nine if you want to assume one in the pipe.)
StopTheGrays
Member
Maybe add:
If a mugger threatens your life for a five, offer him six instead .
Or:
If a mugger threatens your life for a five, offer him six in return .
StandOnGuard
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Like the new picture. I've also used your site a few times in debating with anti-gun folks.
Double Maduro
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Oleg,
Such a nice image, and look what you started.
"Your use of the language is wrong.
Your use of the language is correct, but misguided.
What you must have meant is-------.
Of course you don't mean it is ok to shoot someone for trying to take your money!"
The list goes on and on.
All because of a pretty poster.
At least you made people think.
DM
Such a nice image, and look what you started.
"Your use of the language is wrong.
Your use of the language is correct, but misguided.
What you must have meant is-------.
Of course you don't mean it is ok to shoot someone for trying to take your money!"
The list goes on and on.
All because of a pretty poster.
At least you made people think.
DM
Robert J McElwain
Member
Question:
If you are mugged, what are the odds that the mugger is high on drugs and will shoot you, whether you comply or not? IE, does a drug crazed mugger give a damn about your life?
Bob
If you are mugged, what are the odds that the mugger is high on drugs and will shoot you, whether you comply or not? IE, does a drug crazed mugger give a damn about your life?
Bob
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