Which C&R rifle to get

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Turftech1, If you live that close to a supply of the Swiss ammo, I would absolutely go for the K-31. The PPU ammo isn't match quality, but hey, it is available and cheap! My K-31 will shoot under two inches at 100 yards.

Almost as good as my MkIII Ross, which will shoot under an inch!
 
Of the ones that you listed, I would get the K11. Other suggestions are the M1 Garand and K31. Those are probably the best made common C&R rifles available. Also, I have to suggest the Yugoslavian SKS rifles that are in unissued condition for about $420 right now. It's a little expensive for an SKS, but the condition on these is like new. When that supply dries up, the prices on them will skyrocket.
 
The choice of a first C&R is easy. If you're an American gun enthusiast you have to own an M1 Garand. IMHO it has no equal. After that, all of the above are good choices depending on what you're looking for. Mine was a K31 because of its unparalleled accuracy and pedigree. If I was looking for historical value it would've been a Mosin, for American historical value it would've been an 03A3. The choice is yours but consider the Garand first.
 
I would probably look at a M48 Mauser. I've heard that a decent shipment came in country recently. I've kind of always wanted one, and really should have gotten one back when they were all over for sub $150... they certainly aren't selling in that price range anymore.
 
Determine what you want out of them first--do you want potential price appreciation, are you going to shoot them, do you want to use them for other applications such as hunting, firing in milsurp matches, reloading for accuracy on that rifle, etc. or do you want historical value?

Price appreciation depends on condition and rarity--ideal are unissued condition and/or rifles with historical importance and proven documention. I saw where a M1 Garand that had been accurized for Sen. JFK just went at an auction for over 130,000 but letters, condition, etc. were perfect. Would not be surprised if that price doubled in twenty years for that rifle. But, why would you shoot the darn thing and what kind of security level are you going to spend to keep it. And, depending on the economy and changing collecting tastes, expect large fluctuations in value. That would keep me up at night and I prefer more liquid assets.

If you want to shoot them, then price appreciation exists but it will be more modest depending on condition. But, you will be out much less and be able to have fun with it. Be that as it may, what value they have will be reduced if you later want to sporterize it, tap the receiver to add scopes and bases, etc. But, in obscure calibers, you will be forced to reload if you shoot it very much and brass/bullets/reloading equipment will cost more. Conversion to another caliber damages what value is left in a shooter grade and is costly in some rifles.

Competitors usually want to optimize a few rifles and fire substantial amounts of ammo which often means new barrels, match ammo, etc. while historians might value something that was a relic which can never safely shoot again. Thus, your personal needs and wants should dictate what you should buy.

My personal path is probably not yours, etc. but I started with a WWII vintage Mk. 4, no. 1 Enfield that had been lightly sporterized by chopping the stock and removing the handguards. I decided to restore it to as issued condition but had to find out exactly what that was--thus I learned a lot about the development of the rifle, history of manufacturing, and then added reloading rifle calibers when I could not find ammo for it.

Already had some talent and tools for woodworking and mechanical ability so I learned a lot more about stocks, diagnosing mechanical problems such as feeding, accurizing, and so on. Started reading gunsmith manuals, hanging around in forums like this, reading up on the experts in their fields, and so on.

Since then, I have restored and rebuilt several dozen milsurps with a few bought that did not need anything but a good cleaning. I do it primarily as a hobby and because I value the craftsmanship, history, and mechanical genius that these rifles reflect. To me, it means a lot to have cartouches appear on a battered and dirty old stock and see old arsenal repairs. Rebuilding something that might be destroyed also appeals where I have rebuilt broken stocks.

I also reload for these calibers in order to use them and to wring out as much accuracy from them as I can and enjoy the process to find the right recipe for accuracy in that rifle.

If I sold every one of them today, it would probably be about what I paid to restore them over the last ten years, maybe make a small profit, and maybe double it if I took the time to part them out. Counting my time, it is certainly not an optimum investment but it has helped me through some challenging medical issues where I could do little but work seated at something. That was worth it for me.

Thus, answer the questions for yourself about what you want and then what you should get should answer itself.
 
When I was deciding on a milsurp I looked at all the usual candidates. Enfields, Mosins, Garands, Springfields, Mausers. Then offshoots like Finnish Mosins, Italian Carcanos, Yugo Mausers, French MAS.

I ended up with a pair of Swiss K31's. The ammo was all non corrosive, so the bores are almost always bright and rust free. The surplus ammo is a potent loading and match grade. If you can get boxer primed brass from Norma or Prvi it takes common .308 bullets. They are extremely accurate and the workmanship is unparalleled. The straight pull action is unlike anything else on the market and properly greased is incredibly smooth.

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I definitely incline to the M1903A3 (I have two, one by Remington and one by Smith-Corona.) They are shooters, not wall hangers, and with their peep sights are ready to shoot or hunt with right out of the box.

I have had, and killed several deer with an M1917, but the Springfield is lighter, handier and just all around a pleasure to shoot.
 
My favorite Milsurp bolt guns, in order of how much I enjoy shooting them:

Finn M39
Swedish Mauser
m1903
K31
8mm Mauser
Mosin 91/30
SMLE

The M39, Swede, and K31 are the most accurate of the bunch. If I had a 1903a3, that would probably be in the top 2...the sights on those beat everything else from the era.
 
I vote for the Finn M39, my favorite milsurp. My best group was three shots touching at 50 yards. Much smoother action that Mosins. Cheap ammo too.
 
I love all the replies so far.

I have a few rifles I am working on maybe getting. There sure are a lot of cool ones.

As for what I am looking for, I think to start, I want C&R rifles that are fun to shoot, unique, and have interesting history.

I think I need to check out a K-31. That pull-push action looks pretty cool.
 
I think I need to check out a K-31. That pull-push action looks pretty cool.

Here's another reason to consider a K31. This is the target used to check the accuracy of my rifle. Shot at 100 yds using Swiss diopters, it shows just how accurate they are. It's an all original (as are most) 1942. Original barrel as well. The only work done on it was making sure everything was in spec and all screws tightened to spec. That's it. As the target indicates, the last four shots are the important ones after the diopters were sighted in.
BTW, I didn't shoot it. I don't shoot that well.

https://goo.gl/photos/6e6n9MWUsZGjVwEMA

https://goo.gl/photos/f5uD29iLzKHro2b3A

https://goo.gl/photos/j15AEBB2N5uG4FBd7

https://goo.gl/photos/PMmFCsWTVNUgfc4PA
 
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