Who wants H&K to bring back the P7?

[Rock185]

Hackathorn's "Porsche of pistols" is certainly not for everyone

 

[Zaydok Allen]

HK recently commented on this in a FB post. The tooling for the P7 is gone.

I'd like to play with one but it's not likely to ever be a new production gun.

 

[9mmepiphany]

Do you think they stopped making them because of cost or did people lose interest or was there another reason?

It was the cost and the advent of polymer pistols...that is why H&K introduced the USP as a low cost alternative

To me, it does not seem like it would cost anything more to make a P7 than it would a 1911, especially with today's CNC machines and whatnot.

Funny that you should mention the 1911 as H&K did consider jumping into the 1911 market at one time...they had Ken Hackathorn and Larry Vickers as consultants.

They found out that the price they would have to sell their design at to make it worth the investment was well north of $2500. Now consider that the P7 is a much more complicated pistol than the 1911. So the street price of a P7M8 at $2500 becomes very reasonable

 

[9mmepiphany]

If I could get a few more so I had 4 or so, I'd make that my carry gun and get rid of the rest of my 9mms.

They're out there, it is just a matter of what you are willing to spend.

How much would you think a reasonable price for a P7, PSP or M8, magazine would be?

It is an excellent pistol and I carried one of mine as both a duty gun and as a CCW for quite a while. The hardest thing when they were first introduced was finding a good holster...there are many more options nowadays

 

[George P]

I have 2 PSPs, last one at an estate sale for $600; I would like to see mags no more than $50 ($35 would be even better)

 

[JDR]

Strange, I know an awful lot of folks who love the new P-225s, and if you check out the SIG forums, it's got quite an enthusiastic following ... For a more compact, single-stack 9mm with a simple manual of arms, I'd carry my P-225A1 over the HK any day ...

Not so strange to me. When SIG introduced the “new” P225-A1, I thought I might actually be able to get new factory mags for my P6. But that A1 is a reconfigured P239 anyway, so those mags don’t work in an “old” P225 or P6. Over the holidays I picked up my LNIB P239 SAS Gen2 and saved at least $250 compared to the asking price for those P225-A1’s in the local Cabela’s Gun Library (and at last count there were 3 of them).

 

[sgt127]

I’ve owned a few. Still have one. It’s an incredible bit of engineering.

Exceptional trigger that rivals a good 1911. Extremely low bore axis. Very fast to shoot.

I carried one off duty when my kids were little. It’s one of the safest guns I’ve ever seen. As soon as you put it down, it’s a completely inert piece of steel.

Downsides:

It’s really busy in there. There are an awful lot of tiny parts that all have to play well together to make it run. Remarkably, they seem to do that well.

It’s extremely butt heavy with very little forward length. Difficult to find a holster that holds it securely. I carry appendix and it always had a desire to fall forward out of my waistband unless the holster was really deep. And, that would interfere with getting a decent grip on the draw.

It was an incredible design and, a fantastic shooter. But, it doesn’t fit what most people are looking for today in a defensive handgun.

Then again, I often carry a 3” S&W 65 or a Ruger Speed Six. So, I’m not a good judge of what’s the best anymore.

 

[9mmepiphany]

I would like to see mags no more than $50 ($35 would be even better)

When you consider that VP9 mags run about $40 and P30 mags about $65, P7 out of production mags being much less than that isn't very realistic. They were over $35 back in the 80's
It's just a matter of limited supply and much higher demand. When folks are willing to pay a lot more, the supply would increase.

For folks unfamiliar, P7 mags are like tanks...possibly the strongest single stack mags available; much stronger than any 1911 mag you've ever held. You can literally run them over with a car and they'll still function.

I've had 4 of mine that are over over 35 years old which are still going strong. I have a couple that are 10+ years old that still look new

 

[9mmepiphany]

It’s extremely butt heavy with very little forward length. Difficult to find a holster that holds it securely.

When I was looking for an off-duty holster for my PSP, I corresponded with Lou Alessi and he recommended the his CQC/s for it's wide spread attachment points

 

[OldFashioned]

From what I understand its a often asked question.. A few have asked HK even and the answer seems to be that the cost to sell it would be astronomical. Apparently part of that is because HK claims to have destroyed the tooling.

 

[Rock185]

9mmepiphany, I agree about the robust construction of the P7 magazines. The only pistol magazines that come to mind that seem as heavily constructed are the SIG P210 magazines.

 

[9mmepiphany]

I would like to see mags no more than $50 ($35 would be even better)

You can get one from ProMag for <$20...it might even work; but don't step on them or drop them on hard surfaces

A quick look around shows that PSP mags are available for about < $70. That isn't a horrible price. If it gets much higher, I might consider selling some of my stash

 

[Kano383]

I’d love to see new P7s on the shelves, but as many have pointed out, ain’t gonna happen soon...

The P7 is an aficionado’s firearm. Someone who appreciates fine engineering, and is ready to spend more than five minutes trying to understand what he has in his hands. Seeing that used ones sell for $1500-$2000 and more, there is a steady base of people ready to buy them - only that there is probably not enough of them to justify retooling.

This said, there is no gun I’m aware of that is so intrinsically safe to carry loaded, while being ready for action at all times.

It’s also the most uncluttered and slim full size/compact gun around, which makes it an ideal CCW platform. The only drawback being its top-heaviness, which necessitates an appropriate holster. But when you spend two grands on a used gun, you can spend a hundred and change on a good holster...

Actually looking for one of them staple guns right now...

 

[Speedo66]

Be fun to see a scaled down polymer framed version in .380.

Sized and priced like an LCP. I know, I know, not in this lifetime. lol

 

[71velle]

I would never want one, but with what they are selling for used I bet HK could make a limited run of them and make some money.

 

[bannockburn]

I had a used P7 probably about 30 years ago. I thought the gun was well engineered and built, though I never really took a great liking to the whole squeeze cocking lever design. Could feel the heat after around 100 rounds or so but never found it to be much of a problem. Cleaning required a bit more effort, especially at getting the gas system cleaned out. Overall I suppose the whole P7 experience was like a "B" or "B+". Good in that I had a chance to try it out but just wasn't as big of a deal for me as others felt it was. Eventually I traded it in on something else and moved on. Really don't see HK, or anyone else for that matter, coming out with a new P7.

 

[jeff-10]

P7, blah. Lot's of them out there.

P9S though, I'd love to see newly made ones in 45 ACP.

 

[d'zaster]

I have a M8 and it runs great and is accurate.