Why Is The Steyr AUG So Damn Special?

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Wildalaska; not to pick on what you say or anything, but:
Ever fired more that 5 mags out of an AUG one after the other full auto? Try that then tell me about AKMs...
Sorry I beg to differ...and by the way, increase that number of mags to 20 or so and see what happens...
If you ever have to fire 20+ mags FULL AUTO at a threat... Well, all I say is that
eighter you can't hit squat, or you just have WAY to many enemies! :uhoh:
In any case, I sure wouldn't want to be there... :p

As for those wanting more photos:
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Mike Irwin, not trying to keep smacking this horse. And I will ALWAYS pick the MP5 over the UZI, BUT the UZI will beat the MP5 in extreme reliability tests. It is not my opinion, it is a fact. Perhaps one you are not aware of.

Specifically IMI frequantely demonstrates the Uzi will run after submerssion into crude and beach sand LONG after the MP5 has seized up. While I personally feel this is a unlikely scenario meant to demonstrate the Uzis superiority it is still a test of extreme reliability where the Uzi won.

And the reason is the roller lock bolt head of the MP5 is more vulnerable to stoppages associated with crude and beach sand than the Uzi with it's simple one piece bolt.

Under normal circumstances, and most extreme ones, the MP5 remains 100% reliable and is there fore a superior SMG. Which is more or less the point I was trying to make about the AKM vs. the AUG.
 
Well Steyr, I for one REALLY appreciate your thread!

Very informative!

All the debate has been educational as well.

I do not know much about rifles, especially since most all the ones you have I cannot own in CA.:cuss: :fire:

FYI, the "What Is So Special About..." is a series of posts I did on another forum. Also did "What Is So Special About The HK MP5", etc.

Most people know these guns are top of the line by reputation, but don't know exactly why.

Could you PLEASE start other threads about the other guns???

I'd LOVE to learn!!!


Thank you!!!
Drjones
 
Then riddle me this...


Why were we able burn through 20,000 rounds + in every one of the MP-5s without a SINGLE stopage, no cleaning, no maintenance, no nothing, but not a single one of the Uzis would go more than a few hundred rounds before coughing up a lung?

Could a dozen Uzis be that reliably unreliable, and a similar number of MP-5s be that reliabily reliable?

The end result was the Uzis were rejected, the MP-5s are still in service.

I don't care what the factory does with specially prepped guns -- it's the performance of the line item that's important to me.

Chrysler used to use the performance of specially prepped factory cars to sell unmitigaged S*** to the American consumer.
 
You know, there isn't exactly a clearinghouse for weapon performance stats. Every time someone starts talking about the crummy M16, someone else reminds them that it was the most reliable in recent NATO tests. Then you bring up Vietnam and Afghanistan and the debate rolls on.

As for UZI/MP5 debates, I don't think either of them are as good in all sorts of crud as the Sterling, but I have no data to back that up.

Military rifle reliability is funny. The standard line about AK reliability is taken for granted, but I've heard of them jamming. And a friend in the Danish Army reported incredible levels of reliability with the fairly precise G3. So maybe loose tolerences don't tell the whole story.

I always take individual reports on weapons with a bit o' salt. I've never heard anything that would convince me that an AUG is any less reliable than any of the other 10 or more western gas driven .223s. If there is a downside, it is likely shared by all of those weapons since the critical components are so similar.

AUG, FNC, AR18, M16, Galil, Tavor, G36, AR70, 550, C7, MD-2, K2, AC556, Valmet, Stoner 63 all do the about the same stuff in the same way. They all are expected to have a certain level of accuracy, too. So unless the designer screws up (SA80), they all come out working about the same, their reliability dictated largely by the clearences necessary to acheive the desired accuracy. Almost all are VERY accurate.

Personally, I'm in the delayed blowback club. HK33, Cetme L, FAMAS. These guns are reliable and accurate, despite having received so much less development than the gas guns. Oh well.
 
Mike, really?

Why were we able burn through 20,000 rounds + in every one of the MP-5s without a SINGLE stopage, no cleaning, no maintenance, no nothing, but not a single one of the Uzis would go more than a few hundred rounds before coughing up a lung?

I've never heard of a Uzi crapping out that early. And like I said, in "real world" applications the MP5 is the hands down winner. If for no other reason than first shot placement.

And for what it is worth, the Uzi vs. MP5 test were done independent of IMI. In virtually every other test the MP5 ran circles around the Uzi.
 
Deadman,
Its a 42 round mag, that I load to 41 so I can do a tac reload.
The gun is not for mall ninja work (can't belive I used that phrase), but set up for practical shooting.
I'm looking into adjusting the trigger pull, but this requires some modification and custom springs.
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Hehe, sorry Kobun, couldn't resist. :D

Let us know how your trigger adjustment goes, because god knows I'd like to fix some of the triggers in the Australian Army's arsenal...
 
What's so special about the Space Ranger Rifle? [El Tejon donning tweed jacket with leather elbow patches and digging through desk for pipe] Scarcity. Scarcity equates to value. Value equates to special.

If one cannot find it because a weapon is scarce, then that weapon becomes "cool", regardless of the merits of the particular piece. If a weapon is cool, then others want it because CDI. CDI then leads to a heavy outbreak of "Iwannacoolgun" virus.

The only known cure is training. However, this is counterproductive as you then blow all your money on training instead of mall ninja toys.:D
 
Well, given how there are at least two US companies cloning AUGs now, I thought it was relevant enough to be resurrected :)
 
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