Wyoming LEO org opposes permitless carry

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Yet another episode of "We don't make the laws, we just enforce 'em." Not.

Rick

http://www.jacksonholestartrib.com/.../wyoming/40af1a99841211488725711e0008fa82.txt

House backs no gun permits

By BEN NEARY
Associated Press writer
CHEYENNE -- Wyoming residents would be able to carry concealed handguns without going through the existing state permit process under a bill that received initial approval Wednesday from the House of Representatives.

By a voice vote, the House overwhelmingly approved the bill. It still needs two more approvals in the House before it would head to the Senate.

The bill would specify that in order to carry a concealed handgun, a person must be at least 21 years old, not be a felon and not habitually use alcohol to the extent that his normal faculties are impaired.

Supporters said the legislation wouldn't do away with Wyoming's existing permit system for concealed handguns. Holders of such permits, which require a state background check, can carry concealed weapons in other states with reciprocity agreements and also don't have to wait for criminal background checks before buying handguns from dealers.

Rep. Becket Hinckley, R-Cheyenne and among the sponsors of the bill, said the legislation will appeal to people who don't trust the government and don't want to submit to government background checks before exercising their right to carry guns. He said hunters often want to carry handguns under their coats, but don't want to place their names on any government lists by applying for concealed carry permits.

Rep. Dan Zwonitzer, R-Cheyenne, said he owns guns and enjoys shooting. However, he said Wyoming is among the top states in the country in terms of gun-related deaths by population and said the state doesn't need legislation to encourage more people to carry guns.

Zwonitzer quoted the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which states in part that a "well-regulated militia" is necessary to the security of a free state. He said he wouldn't have a problem with the bill if it specified that members of the Wyoming National Guard have a right to carry weapons.

Rep. Stephen Watt, R-Rock Springs, responded that the term "militia," when the Constitution was written, "included just about everybody in America."

Rep. Steve Harshman, R-Casper, said the question comes down to whether lawmakers trust the people.

"As a native son of Wyoming, I've hunted and fished, and grew up with guns," Harshman said. "It's been a real joy."

Byron Oedekoven, executive director of the Wyoming Association of Sheriffs and Chiefs of Police, said after the House vote that his group opposes the legislation and intends to lobby lawmakers to oppose it.

"The bill is troubling," Oedekoven said. "And please convey that we are for the Second Amendment."

Among the association's concerns with the bill, Oedekoven said, is no requirement that people show any proficiency with a handgun and no requirement that they undergo criminal background checks.
 
My thought on his worries:
no requirement that they undergo criminal background checks.
1. Don't release dangerous criminals
no requirement that people show any proficiency with a handgun
2. Teach gun safety and operation in public schools

Problem solved.

Why is it that the purchase check isn't enough, and you don't need any 'training' or 'certification' to own and presumably operate? Just to carry under your shirt rather than over it?
 
I wish you saw more commentary from "regular" cops, and not politically involved police. Either the newspapers don't talk to them or they don't speak up.
 
I wish you saw more commentary from "regular" cops, and not politically involved police. Either the newspapers don't talk to them or they don't speak up.

The LEOs that testify in front of legislatures are the top brass or union officials. The rank and file don't have permission to speak in uniform and risk ill treatment if they testify in plain clothes. We've tried to get LEO-friends to testify and they say they can't.

Teach gun safety in schools you say?
"We should establish shooting galleries in all the large public and military schools, should maintain national target ranges in different parts of the country, and should in every way encourage the formation of rifle clubs throughout all parts of the land. The little Republic of Switzerland offers us an excellent example in all matters connected with building up an efficient citizen soldiery." Theodore Roosevelt, Sixth Annual Message to Congress, on Dec. 6, 1906
 
We're not permitted to comment on pending legislation, which is a rule that is inconsistently applied by higherups.

Mike
 
"The LEOs that testify in front of legislatures are the top brass or union officials. The rank and file don't have permission to speak in uniform and risk ill treatment if they testify in plain clothes. We've tried to get LEO-friends to testify and they say they can't."

You're 100% right on that...and how many cops agree with the chief? Well, turn that around, how many of you agree with your boss?

BTW...Chief of Police, though usually not an elected position, is just as political as any other.

So if you guys want cops to stick of for your rights...then ask yourself...have you joined the LEAA yet? It's the only Pro 2nd Amendment group I know of where regular cops get to speak out and supports your rights as citizens and the rights of victims. Do something about it.........

http://www.leaa.org/
 
Chief of Police, though usually not an elected position, is just as political as any other.
It's worse. They are usually "uncovered" employees who serve at the pleasure of an elected official or other unelected bureaucrat. The mayor, city council, or city manager can send a pro-RKBA CoP packing.

Rick
 
Byron Oedekoven, executive director of the "Wyoming Association of Sheriffs and Chiefs of Police"

Notice his group just supports the 'high brass' and not officers behind the wheel or on the beat.

He is full of it. :barf:
 
the Wyoming Association of Sheriffs and Chiefs of Police

This is NOT an "LEO organization." Like 99.99999% of such organizations nationwide, it doesn't represent the actual LEO's. It represents the partisan hacks who get the jobs as sheriffs and chiefs of police. Don't confuse these people with the ones who actually work for a living.
 
Hey....Chief's work for a living...they check emails....they make phone calls, they drink coffee, they check emails, they make phone callse, they drink coffee, they check emails, they make phone calls, they drink coffee.................................................................................................................................................................................................:evil:
 
"And please convey that we are for the Second Amendment."

Which part?

The second amendment says that we are just as qualified to bear arms as he is, and it is in fact a critical element to the future of this nation. It also says there shouldnt be any restrictions on this right, national security depends on it.

So if someone can believe in that, why wouldnt they also believe in permit free carry?
 
Sarah Brady herself has said she supports the 2A more times than I can count.

She supports her conception of it which is the wrong-headed notion that the 2A was put in place so that states could create "National Guard" units in 1903. :barf:

She agrees with that. I don't.

Rick
 
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