xds malfunction

[spearpoint]

My natural grip poises my thumb over, but not pressing upon, the magazine release button. Considerable force is ordinarily required to operate the release. Pushing upwards on the magazine relieves the resistance of the release to being pressed, and facilitates dropping the magazine, particularly when the magazine is fully loaded.

When a cartridge is loaded by the action of the slide after firing, there is an interval during which the projectile in the uppermost position in the magazine is driven upwards by virtue of its impingement upon the feed ramp, and during which the rear portion of the case is still entrapped by the lips of the magazine... the consequence is that the magazine is forcefully pulled into its well, so as to eliminate the resting-state gap between the the upper edge of the magazine's floorplate and the bottom edge of the magazine well.

As a practical matter, this event is no different from the circumstance previously described, and identically relieves resistance to magazine release...

+P Buffalo Bore loads with 230 and 255 grain bullets have taught me a new thumb regimen so as to avoid unintentional magazine ejection.

They sure are a hoot to shoot! The pistol is otherwise flawless

 

[rcmodel]

XDs malfunction?

Sounds more like operator error to me!!

rc

 

[arizona98tj]

I've yet to find a good reason to shoot +P loads in my XDs45.

 

[Tomcat47]

I have yet found the need to shoot +P in anything... get a bigger gun if you want more power...?

XDs malfunction?... Sounds more like operator error to me!!

XDs .... would surprise me to be mfg. related problem...

 

[OilyPablo]

Considerable force is ordinarily required to operate the release

You are not kidding.

I've had no issue, but I am pretty sure I don't ride the mag release.

255 gr +P in a 14 oz pistol? Smokin'!

 

[spearpoint]

Some folks like to have fun!

 

[spearpoint]

For those of you who must take everything seriously... it's an ergonomics issue...

 

[spearpoint]

@oily :

14oz???

 

[OilyPablo]

I did'NT feel like looking it up

 

[spearpoint]

And what did you find?

 

[GJSchulze]

Please don't take offense, but the way I was taught to hold a pistol both thumbs are up near the slide and no where near the mag release. How are you gripping it?

I have an XD and an XDm. My wife has an XD and XDs 45. The mag release starts out very stiff on them, but eventually loosens up. On the XDm 45 I find it very hard to lock the slide back; I can't reach the slide lock with enough force to push it up.

 

[ku4hx]

... I was taught to hold a pistol both thumbs are up near the slide and no where near the mag release.

Having been a dedicated heavy caliber revolver shooter for a number of decades, I carried my grip over to semi autos when I got more interested in them. It took me a while to be comfortable with the two thumbs up hold, but it was well worth the effort.

I found the revolver "thumb over" situation with semi autos worked some of the time, but with some semi autos, it just didn't work well at all.

I'd suggest the OP change his grip and practice, practice and practice some more.

And on +P ... if you need more power, shoot a bigger cartridge.

 

[OilyPablo]

And what did you find?

The XDs45 with mag weighs ~21 oz.

 

[ku4hx]

On the XDm 45 I find it very hard to lock the slide back; I can't reach the slide lock with enough force to push it up.

You might want to get that looked at if you're not so inclined yourself. My wife just bought a XD(M) 45 3.8 and the slide lock is very easy to move. The only resistance felt is the spring tension that holds it down away from the slide.

She's only shot it once so it's very "factory fresh" still. But the slide lock is not stiff at all.

 

[spearpoint]

It took me a while to be comfortable with the two thumbs up hold, but it was well worth the effort.

I am familiar with the convention; what do you purport to be its virtues?

I found the revolver "thumb over" situation with semi autos worked some of the time, tbut with some semi autos, it just didn't work well at all.

I reckon I'm unfamiliar with the situation -- in what respect did it not work well at all?

And on +P ... if you need more power, shoot a bigger cartridge.

It's not about need

So, with your grip, your thumb is above the molded-in recess which Springfield provides for your thumb on your xds? The next position above the thumb recess is the slide stop... one should certainly keep one's thumb away from that...

 

[spearpoint]

The XDs45 with mag weighs ~21 oz.

You're awesome I believe there's another five ounces or so when its loaded...

 

[VAPOPO]

I also use a thumbs forward grip but because of the size of my hands I end up deactivating the slide stop about 90-95% of the time, the good news is I have become quite proficient in clearance drills and shoot 100% on all pistol quals. The bad news is that click at the end of a string in a real gun fight could prove fatal. I practice counting my rounds so that doesnt happen along with practicing Tactical reloads to the point that they are second nature. Moral to the story is training will overcome any issue. Talk to someone who you trust that is proficient and tactically sound and get some pointers. Practice until everything is second nature and you dont have to think about them, your muscle memory will take over and take thought out of the picture.

 

[jim243]

I have yet found the need to shoot +P in anything...

I find it discomforting that people think that a pistol designed for a max of 21,000 psi should use ammo designed for 23,000 psi. I guess the pistol manufacturer does not know what is best, and then these same people don't understand why they have voided their warrentte on the pistol and have to pay themselves for any repairs.

If you want to use +P pressures, then just Glock yourself. (45 GAP, 23,000 psi, both gun and ammo)

Jim

 

[spearpoint]

You so are awesome! Thank you for your contribution! Glock so totally rulez!

 

[TimboKhan]

it's an ergonomics issue

It's not so much an ergonomics issue as it is a case of one of the compromises you make having such a small gun. Try as you might, there will never be a small gun that is as comfortable to use as a standard 4 or 5 inch pistol. That's not good or bad, but it is to say that you can't compare the ergos of a large gun and a small gun fairly.

 

[ku4hx]

The two thumbs up grip supports the gun better on its left side; the thumb over provides less support on the left side. On the milder recoiling pistols it's not so much of a big deal with practice, but on those pistols with heavier recoil it becomes more of an issue. Primarily I'm thinking about either of my two 10mm: Smith 1006 or Glock 20. The 10mm as you will recall fell from favor because of several reasons, one being heavy recoil. I will debate on the 10mm being heavy recoiling, but that's not the issue here. Relative recoil and stability are.

Keep in mind, the recoil of a heavy caliber revolver (full house 44 Magnum or 454 Casull in my case) is handled differently from that of a semi automatic. With a combat semi auto (as opposed to a target situation), one of your objectives is a quick return to target for a follow up shot so you need to "control" recoil more. With a heavy caliber revolver, you allow the recoiling gun to rise more with less worry about quick follow up shots. As a recoil example only for a heavy caliber gun, this fellow is shooting one handed, but the recoil rise is apparent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS3IJMwJXec

Were he shooting with both hands, you'd still see the rise, and his left hand would be in the thumb over position. You don't really want your left thumb anywhere near the cylinder and certainly away from the cylinder/frame gap.

On the site below, third picture down is thumb over with less left side support. Fourth picture down shows two thumbs up and greater left side support.
http://www.christiangunowner.com/correct_handgun_grip.html

 

[Zaydok Allen]

I shoot 230 gr +p's out of mine. No problem.