I found a Utube video on why you keep a gun chameberd

No no no... I've been reliably informed that in the event of any situation in which I may need to use force, I will always have both hands free to do what ever I need.... never mind the fact that the last time I had to draw my gun in anger I had a knife in my left hand at the time. Note, not holding a knife in my left hand. A knife IN my left hand. As a bonus though, I do have a nice scar between the base of my thumb and index finger to use as a training aid when someone in class asks that question.


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Yeah, I never understood the logic on carrying with an empty chamber for most of us.

My Step father though, carries with a empty chamber because he feels safer (risk of Accidental discharge) without a round in the chamber. Now that he is well into his 70's, my thought is that if he doesn't feel like he can keep the gun from having an AD, then he probably shouldn't have one in the chamber anyway. Other than people like him, everyone should keep the carry gun loaded.

Lawyer: "And was that gun loaded and cocked?"

Rooster Cogburn: "If it is not loaded and cocked it will not shoot."

Was it Bill Jordan who was asked if it was dangerous to carry a 1911 cocked and locked and responded "Ma'am, if it wasn't dangerous, I wouldn't carry it."? Or something to that effect?

It's a completely irrational fear I know, but the only type of sidearm I trust carrying fully loaded is a revolver. So that's what I carry, and yes, it's loaded.

Maybe it's because I've not spent enough time around semi-autos.

No one argues that it is a better method, just that they like having a gun with virtually no likelihood of an ND.

Most of us are more likely to shoot ourselves than get in a gunfight.

RX-79G said:

No one argues that it is a better method, just that they like having a gun with virtually no likelihood of an ND.

Most of us are more likely to shoot ourselves than get in a gunfight.

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You don't need to get into a "gunfight" to benefit from having your carry gun ready to use right out of the holster.

I also would like to see the source for your claim.

Give it up -- he won't give you a source.

Don't feed the troll.

RX-79G said:

Most of us are more likely to shoot ourselves than get in a gunfight.

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Except those of us who do.

Anybody who can predict accurately when they will get in a gunfight ought to sell his gun and buy a Powerball ticket. With his winnings, he can hire a private army.

Anyone else would be foolish to pretend they know when danger will strike and carry with an empty chamber.

Warp said:

You don't need to get into a "gunfight" to benefit from having your carry gun ready to use right out of the holster.

I also would like to see the source for your claim.

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There is no source, it's just more anti-gun agit-prop.

Warp said:

You don't need to get into a "gunfight" to benefit from having your carry gun ready to use right out of the holster.

I also would like to see the source for your claim.

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The CDC lists the firearm accident injury rate as being between 14,000-19,000 per year. As I have personally witnessed quite a few firearms accidents or near accidents, I certainly feel like people are more likely to hurt themselves than get in a shootout, but I realize that isn't science.

The problem is that estimates of Defensive Gun Use vary quite a bit. Instead of summarizing, I'll let you read:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_gun_use

The important point to remember is that I qualified what I said with "most of us", because the majority of people on THR do not live in the most violent parts of the US and have a net lower chance than the national average.


That said, my point was not that people shouldn't carry chamber empty. I have personally advocated against that, and even started a thread advocating SA hammer down as a better option. I was just saying that many folks see their actual chance of needing their carry gun to be so low that they are more comfortable avoiding being one of those firearms injury numbers by simply not loading the chamber. And that's their call, even if I disagree.

If I'm not mistaken, the gas station attack happened in Dayton, Ohio.

In any case, a couple of druggies jumped a guy pumping gas in Dayton. They hit him from front and rear simultaneously. He managed to fight them off just long enough to draw and fire, striking one of them in the abdomen. The other fled.

By his own admission, had he not had a round chambered, he would likely have been overwhelmed, disarmed and killed.

If you're more afraid of your own firearm than of a deadly force attack, you ought either to switch guns or stop carrying. You're just going to give a criminal a gun.

As I have personally witnessed quite a few firearms accidents or near accidents, I certainly feel like people are more likely to hurt themselves than get in a shootout, but I realize that isn't science.

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I try to associate with a better, more responsible crowd...

Deanimator said:

I try to associate with a better, more responsible crowd...

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Then you must avoid gunshows, IDPA competitions and gun ranges.

One of several reasons I carry a revolver... simplicity.

No rounds to chamber, no safety to disengauge, no action to cycle, no mags to worry about.

RX-79G said:

Then you must avoid gunshows, IDPA competitions and gun ranges.

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Or I see a LOT fewer of those incidents there than you do... or say you do.

Deanimator said:

Or I see a LOT fewer of those incidents there than you do... or say you do.

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Why don't you decide whether you want to call me a liar or not?


I've been shooting since 1983. The six incidents I can think of hand were pretty evenly distributed over that period, so about once every 5 years I saw something really screwed up happen. Does that seems wildly unlikely to you?

Very sobering video!

Mike

RX-79G said:

The CDC lists the firearm accident injury rate as being between 14,000-19,000 per year.

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From your linked source:

number of DGUs said:

Low-end estimates are in the range of 55,000 to 80,000 incidents per yea

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Since 55,000 > 19,000, the sources you just provided prove you wrong.

Petard, you, hoisted... Good bye.

There is no doubt, in my mind anyway, that carrying with a round in the chamber is better tactically than carry with an empty chamber.

My problem with the discussions we've had here on this issue is that so many seem to have concluded that NDs with loaded guns are inevitable. I DISAGREE!

Instead of rolling over and simplistically deciding that taking the round out of the chamber is the best ND prevention medicine available, maybe we could focus on other practices and gear that will also prevent NDs, so that we can safely carry with "one in the pipe."

Here are a few that I follow all the time:

1) Carry in a sturdy holster that holds the gun firmly, is connected to a solid gun-strength belt or strap, covers the trigger completely, does not change the position of any other controls on your gun (e.g. 1911-style safeties), holds the gun in a position where it can be drawn without the muzzle covering vital body parts, and can be worn comfortably all day long.

2) Never remove your carry gun from the holster, unless you're at the range, or facing an impenetrable backstop, or when you need (heaven forbid) to use it to defend yourself or your loved ones.

3) When the gun is not on your person, lock it up, and put the key in a safe place.

4) Remember that nobody ever won a trophy, certificate, or gunfight by having the fastest reholster move. When reholstering, take your time, make sure that cover garments are clear as you reholster, and stop if you feel ANY unusual resistance.

Any so on, and so on.

I love Col Cooper's statement on this issue: "All guns are ALWAYS loaded."

Charlie, I think, went a step too far -- he tied the grip safety down with a rawhide thong.

RX-79G said:

but I realize that isn't science.

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No, it isn't.

You have to realize that I already know all of this, and I already know you are lying or intentionally deceiving with your posts. I only ask to give you a chance to maybe show me something that nobody else has ever been able to before, and to be polite.

But really...I know what you keep posting is false...and I want anybody who happens upon this thread, nor or in the future, to know the truth.