Jesse H
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Wonder if this is part of the reason I'm having zero luck finding a MKIV 22/45 with a threaded barrel in stock anywhere.
trey weston said:Every gun forum I'm on there are multiple reports of issues with Rugers.
There's been a lot of discussion (and confusion) about this on Rimfire Central and other sites. To clear up some of the confusion, here's what we know:
1. Ruger says that the Mark I, II, and III pistols are not affected.
2. Ruger says that the recall involves the replacement of two parts, the sear and the safety.
3. Of these two parts, the only one that is unique to the Mark IV is the sear. The safety is functionally the same as in earlier Marks.
4. We can conclude by this that the Mark IV sear is what's causing the problem. The safety is being replaced because the replacement is marked with an "S" on the white dot (which indicates that the gun is on safe), and this gives a quick external indication that the modification has been made. Otherwise there would be no reason to replace the safety.
5. The Volquartsen Mark IV aftermarket sear is just like the Ruger factory Mark II / III sear, except perhaps that it's machined more carefully.
6. If you have installed a Volquartsen aftermarket sear (or a Ruger factory Mark II / III sear), there is no need to send the gun back to Ruger because you have already done what they are proposing to do (replace the sear with one proven not to cause a problem).
If asked, Ruger will deny this last part (after all, they listen to their lawyers), but it's the truth.
Were you trying to keep the Mark IV hammer with its wrap-around magazine disconnector? Part of the process of improving the Mark IV's trigger pull is to ditch everything having to do with the magazine disconnect. I'm using a Mark II hammer and it obviously works well with a Mark II-type sear.I installed a Mk II sear in my Mk IV after reading that it would work on another forum. It did not function correctly.
That's because of the ball detent and spring on the safety. BTW, these parts are easily lost in careless disassembly. I suspect that the "intermediate position" being talked about in Ruger's recall notice may be at least partially due to incorrect reassembly, omitting these critical parts. One improvement that Ruger could make to the safety would be to stake in the detent, so that it doesn't fly out during disassembly.The safety is either on or off and will not stop in a middle position.
This is one reason I do not buy new designs until they have been out awhile , you see this so much in the firearm industry .
Is that the only other firearm recall you know of ? I think firearm companies are more responsible now . Remington did the wrong thing in the pass and now they are making it right . They have made a few recalls lately on newly released modles and didn't wait 50 years to do it .I'm pretty sure the Remington 700 had been on the market a few years...
What validation would you like, or accept?Is there such a thing as a gun forum without multiple reports of issues with every gun made? I'm on a lot of gun forums, and every one of them has multiple reports of issues with guns from every manufacturer, pretty much just like yours with no background or validation. I ignore them all and haven't had any problems.
I'd be curious to know what Volquartzen parts were installed on the guns that still exhibit the problem. THe Vplquartzen accurizing kit containa a new sear, hammer, hammer bushing, disconnector, trigger plunger, plunger spring and trigger. There isn't a whole lot left (other than the safety lever) to go wrong.Actually I have two fellow range officers that have 3 guns affected by the recall. Both have experienced the symptoms Ruger mentions in the recall both before and after they installed Volquartsen parts. Ruger will not send the parts to repair this issue. They have to remove all the Volquartsen innards they installed and reinstall the stock Ruger parts. Send the guns in and upon return, hope the VQ parts will reinstall and function correctly (at this point VQ will not guarantee this to be so).
ser #'s that start with 401 or WBR are in question. Anything that starts with 50 are ok.
I'd be curious to know what Volquartzen parts were installed on the guns that still exhibit the problem. The current Volquartzen accurizing kit contains a new sear, hammer, hammer bushing, disconnector, trigger plunger, plunger spring and trigger. There isn't a whole lot left in the gun (other than the safety lever) to go wrong.
I'd be curious to know what Volquartzen parts were installed on the guns that still exhibit the problem. THe Vplquartzen accurizing kit containa a new sear, hammer, hammer bushing, disconnector, trigger plunger, plunger spring and trigger. There isn't a whole lot left (other than the safety lever) to go wrong.
All I know, they bought the complete kit direct from Volquartsen. They were among the first to receive one of the dedicated VQ MKIV kits.
I have a couple of MKIII's with full VQ parts installed and have field stripped these guns dozens of times so I never felt the need to jump on the MK!V bandwagon but If I had I would definately send my frame back to Ruger for approved modification.
As an instructor I can visualize lawyers lining up in the event of some ND down the line.
I wouldn't argue with you if we were talking about an unaltered, factory-condition Mark IV. But this gun is typically the basis for modifications and alterations, particularly by people who take their target shooting seriously. (The factory 5+ lb. trigger pull is unacceptable for this use.) When an owner changes the sear, trigger, hammer, etc., he pretty much lets Ruger off the hook, liability-wise, and takes the responsibility upon himself. For people who know what they are doing, this is not much of a problem.Whether you can or cannot recreate the event Ruger is recalling the gun for is of no relevance in court.
My belief is if a gun is recalled for a safety issue one has to pay attention to what could happen in court if something goes wrong for whatever reason and your gun does not have the "s" on it. Call me crazy but I would sent it in for correction just to protect myself from possible litigation.