YouTube to Dump Many Gun Videos

I say, hooray for gun porn!

No publishing format has succeeded without including what was controversial. Even Herr Gutenberg spent most of his time printing scurrilous political and religious pamphlets - and porn. In fact, his Bible was a full-on attack on the dominant church, which had declared that the Bible could only be printed in Latin and could only be read and interpreted by priests..

So, if guns are the new pornography, then I guess that I'm off to a porn site!

Bang! said:

Speaking of baking a cake for gay weddings, hypocrisy, and to answer your question; no, youtube doesn’t have the right to decide its course of business. I personally believe they should be able to. It’s their business and they should be free to operate and make policy as they see fit. But that changed with the gay wedding cake. We decided as a nation, like it or not, that businesses open to the public will serve the public equally. Youtube should bake my cake. The hypocrisy here isn’t on those of us who support gun channels. The hypocrisy is on youtube. “You can’t have your cake and eat it too” doesn’t apply to youtube?

Is it time to do to youtube/google what was done to ma bell?

Just playing the devil’s advocate.

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The difference is nobody is paying youtube to host their videos, in fact, youtube PAYS people to host their videos even if it is just a few cents now.

AlexanderA said:

The antigunners are learning. First they have to attack the gun culture before they can successfully go after the guns themselves. This YouTube change is just one of many fronts. The goal is to make gun ownership socially toxic. Once gun owners are seen as social pariahs, the legislation will be easy.

I don't see any way to effectively fight back against this strategy. Boycotts will be ineffective and may even backfire.

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This is the same thing I'm thinking. If you don't control the media, you don't control the message and you can't change minds in a debate or a discussion.

The only solution I can think of is in the event a sizeable number of people in the nation are willing to send the military and police to your door for confiscations, then it's an act of civil war and states/counties can succeed and form a new sovereign nation. Of course, I won't accept having the United States be torn asunder, so the end strategy will have to be purging Anti's from the nation. We can talk about majority rule all we want, but the purpose of the Constitution was to protect the individual from the majority and that's why gun ownership was the 2nd Amendment... because it's the Luca Brasi to the 1st Amendment's Vito Corleone.

Jeez, won't even boycott Youtube (uploading and downloading) and we're supposed to believe gunowners will fight jack booted thugs to the death.

So, if this sites' landlords (the domain holders and server companies) decide to pull the plug, what would you do? Gear up and storm the nearest...city hall? Federal building? Quiznos?

No, you go to an alternate site that isn't shut down (or make one) and invite as many collaborators as you can, and discuss how to fight back against the injustice (let's not kid ourselves, we'll just go back to the same old same old after some complaining, rinse & repeat, until there's nothing left, just like the last 100 years)

I also find the 'private company their rules' argument amusing. The *feds* have no authority to order around companies this way. The *people* have every right to revolt against whatever tyranny seeks to deny them their natural rights.

An institution that controls public commerce, communication, and assembly, by rules backed up by punitive responses, is by definition a government. These budding governments vying for supremacy over the people simply have (TM) at the end of their name instead of "-ism."

Nature Boy said:

I just spent a couple of hours looking for gun content on pornhub. Never did find any.

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Are you sure you weren't distracted by .... well, anything?

I went to Hickock 45 and Kirsten Joy Weiss's sites this morning and they were still up (and had videos). I did download some gunsmithing videos 'just in case' ...

New policy doesn't go into effect until April

This is not good if it deletes a lot of instructional videos.

For those asking about it, Twitch.tv is an alternative to YouTube and is owned by Amazon. It’s heavily gaming centric, though (for now).

Moving to a platform that’s already taboo will only marginalize gun owners more. Until pornography platforms branch out to cover other topics, the mainstream is all we have.

Twitch is live-play only (I think), no rewind, ergo perfect for Hickock45

Yeah, Pornhub is so marginalized. So isolated and vulnerable, they own their own servers, are completely vertically integrated, and clearly have no intention of ever issuing an IPO or clamoring to be snapped up by the Google conglomerate. Tens of millions of users, God knows (literally ) how many viewers, an incomprehensible volume of data and bandwidth utilization, which are in all likelihood second only to Youtube proper.

Honestly, the RubHub is strategically a far more viable option than spooling Full30 up into a legitimate competitor. Do a quick calculus; sleazy ads because politics makes strange bedfellows, or having to fit the entire digital gun culture through a portal one-one-thousandth (or even less) smaller than what we enjoy today? How long do you think we can keep the interest of current gunowners, let alone new ones, when Forgotten Weapons or Robski can't show an actual 'assault weapon' on their channels? A large portion of those Midway instructionals will be going bye-bye, assuming the whole channel isn't nuked as a result. Reloading topics are very explicitly banned, likely among the first to go in April. How long do you think 'graphic' hunting video will be tolerated by the ivory tower PETA types?

That said, I still hope a 'presentable' alternative can be stood up in time so we don't have to go full counter-culture just to enjoy our civil liberties and an interesting topic of discussion. It is worth remembering that past counter cultures have prospered because of their outsider status, but only so long as they insisted on doing their thing despite the protests of the establishment.

I have little use for anything else than gun related Youtubing.......

If PornHub could section off a server for gun related content with dedicated internet address...so we don't have to wade through scads of explicit videos running in our faces to find gun related content. I point out that sometimes I watch gun related content with my underage child, and it might be less than optimal to navigate past these things. Just a random thought, worth less than you paid for it.

I believe youtube is perfectly within their right to restrict whatever they wish to. That doesn't mean that I like it although I have found the majority of the firearms related videos there to run the gamut from bad to terrible. There are some that are interesting and informative though and I've enjoyed watching them.

I'm also curious about this thread managing to make it to three pages. Have the moderators gotten tired are just run out of padlocks?

Like most on here, I’m also disappointed to hear of this news. Anyway, I found the following article to be somewhat on topic:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/22/health/facebook-guns-gunbook-trnd/index.html

I joined to see what it’s about and discovered one can also post videos. However, I don’t know if there’s a time limit on the videos. Only mention it given our discussion on possible alternative sites to host shooting sport-related videos.

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If PornHub could section off a server for gun related content with dedicated internet address...so we don't have to wade through scads of explicit videos running in our faces to find gun related content. I point out that sometimes I watch gun related content with my underage child, and it might be less than optimal to navigate past these things. Just a random thought, worth less than you paid for it.

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I think Pornhub would do it if enough gun channels started uploading videos to the site. If Hickok, IV8888, Nutnfancy, Sootch00, and others jumped ship, all those guys combined would warrant a dedicated server for non-porno, but if a lot of the smaller channels also joined them, it would make for a compelling argument within Pornhub on whether or not to just start a new youtube that really does have freedom of speech.

Also, I would honestly like to know how much youtube is paying content creators these days after the apocalypse stuff last year happened.

There is an alternative.... https://www.full30.com/

What about peer to peer (P2P)? Doesn't that use space on users' hard drives to store content that can be shared via download? A platform like Kodi would fit the bill. I'm not a tech guy but I'm sure it could be set up.

Rembrandt said:

There is an alternative.... https://www.full30.com/

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Yes, good content, but you can only upload videos by invitation only at full30. I’m guessing they don’t have the money to afford the vast amount of bandwidth needed to host a bunch of videos.

Is anyone aware of pornhub's take on any of this? Are they excited for the extra content or is it just a joke around the...uh...water cooler? I'd be interested how an email campaign expressing desire to view videos under their ownership if they had a separate "safe for work" site.

somethingbenign said:

Is anyone aware of pornhub's take on any of this? Are they excited for the extra content or is it just a joke around the...uh...water cooler? I'd be interested how an email campaign expressing desire to view videos under their ownership if they had a separate "safe for work" site.

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I'm sure if a petition got started to request that Pornhub use their vast resources to offer a non-adult video hosting website like youtube that didn't have the restrictions on speech and content and enough people signed it, they'd make it. They're only in the pornography business to make money, but when the money business comes along that offers more, only fools refuse to take that offer.

I already have a name for said Pornhub affiliated video hosting site: Freetube. Everybody loves free stuff.

Has anyone considered Vimeo? Natural News uses them quite a bit after being banned by YouTube.
https://www.naturalnews.com/
The Vimeo site is:
https://vimeo.com/

Some people talked about Vimeo, but I was told they charge to post each video? Not 100% certain.
Full30 would be nice if the little guys were allowed in, however I would understand if they charged a small membership fee to post videos, because I am willing to bet the cost of the servers for that much stuff would have to be quite high.

Apparently the PornHub thing is getting enough interest, there's already rumors of them making a segregated "clean" spin-off service. I would assume the theoretical separation is purely one of software & business accounts, so logistically, they would be able to easily accommodate the hosting needs of most/all of the gun community alongside the smut. Squeamish trades aside, they are an industrial juggernaut as far as hardware & net bandwidth, and like GoDaddy, are one of the few big players that aren't openly hostile to gun owners & 'conservative' types. Even if Full30 had cash flowing in from paying members, I doubt they'd be able to spool up their operation fast enough to take on the gun community if Youtube comes down as hard as we fear. We really need a veteran group who's been building an empire for years, not a new upstart kid finding his bearings.

It's not just gun stuff, too; I think that a more diverse media presence is needed alongside the gun topics, so gun owners (and others) won't keep trying to go back to these old, repressive environments for other things. Not because I think it would impact some 'boycott,' but because I think it would serve to undercut the success of the alternate options so badly they would fade away.

Gun channels are already starting to appear on Bitchute which seems to be Torrent-based and committed to non-censorship. Censorship of any kind of video site does nothing but cut your potential customer base in half and with that, ad revenue.