I don't carry anymore, but will resume when I am able to get a new license in my new state of residence, but I typically equate deer hunting to self defense. Bone structure around vitals is similar, density is similar, size is similar, and the thick hair mimics thin clothing on a human. I have shot deer with both 115 and 124 gr8 jhp loaded to the top of book specs. I didn't see much difference but I know that the extra few grains of mass can help retain some energy if I hit a bone, tree limb, etc, or in a defense role if I hit a cellphone or outstretched arm. That said, I have no issue with the 115s, and I have a few hundred old school bowler jhp bullets left to load up, and I wouldn't change a thing between 115 and 124 as they shoot the same to 30 yards which is my personal max distance with a 9mm.