Helpless Venezuelans lament losing guns, right to stand up to government

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This isn’t complicated. What we’re seeing in Venezuela is what we've seen repeatedly throughout history. A government that wants to disarm it’s citizens has never done so with good intentions. When the socialists who have taken control of the Democratic party push for a ban on private gun ownership, and that is their goal, it’s because they want control. Any other reason they spout is a lie. Venezuela is the latest example we need to learn from.
 
The Liberal said:
We honestly just reckoned we’d trace your IP addresses and take your guns while you’re at work or something. It was on the agenda at the Big Liberal Weekly meeting.

On topic, most Democrats and liberals actually support a fairly broad RKBA. We just don’t agree that common ownership of assault weapons and easy acquisitions of and access to firearms are compatible with public safety. Also worth noting that many more Americans have been killed in modern times by gun violence than by government action.
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Trouble with that is, it is increasingly common for any type of semi auto to be reclassified or defined as an "assault weapon." And too many liberals are NOT happy with average Joes owning any type of firearm.
 
What really sucks....... Is that even if the Venz govt. starts rounding defenseless people up and mowing them down with machine guns....

Libs will still blame the guns. They won't learn anything from this. Stupid people don't learn.
 
Zerodefect said:
Run for office, if you have leadership to offer.

No one wants to be in politics. The way our current president is being treated, is why.

If I was wealthy (wealthier), would I want to be pres? Heck no, I'd be on a Caribbean island somewhere. Would take an act of god to compel me to help this nation, and deal with the press and all of the dirtbags.
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I really don’t have any desire to run. The only reason I would is because I want to see the country turned around but one seat isn’t going to change anything. I’m pretty sure that nothing can be fixed within our current system. It’s too corrupt now. Look at all the fraud and stealing that happened in the midterms. It’s not going to happen. Not to mention you have to be super wealthy now to even get a seat at the table.
 
lionking said:
I have been careful not to use the terms "liberal, "conservative", "Democrat" or "republican" on this thread knowing that either can support 2nd amendment rights , in the last few replies it shows that those that call themselves "liberal" don't even agree with each other when it comes to it.

Without going into the semantics of the definition of "assault rifle" , the terms "assault weapon", "weapon of war" and "military grade" are terms that have been conjured up and sensationalized by the anti's to promote propaganda toward the unknowing public.

If violence in America is at a high situation , that is a social problem not a gun problem. As far as "assault weapons" the nutjob kid in Texas killed as many using a revolver and shotgun than other nutjobs have using a AR-15 style rifle. Banning the Ar-15 or other style rifle isn't going to stop these killings, there needs to be a social and moral reckoning to resolve it.

The U.S.A is nowhere near like Venezuela in terms of corruption and or oppression, nor will it likely ever be. U'S.A has a good constitution with checks and balances and elections that transfer power peacefully and most Americans take pride in that. There probably will never be a need to take up arms against the government, and if such a thing spiraled down that much, it is doubtful most armed forces would comply with orders as such. However that said, nothing is impossible and to ignore such a possibility seems ignorant.

What is alarming though are certain actions some politicians would like to take such as demanding passwords from gun license applicants to search social media and emails history before allowing the ownership of a gun which some politicians in NY recently proposed. How far does concern for public safety go, how far down the rabbit hole will it go? You say you support owning a gun, but not "assault weapons" so much. Out there is someone who doesn't think you should own your style of gun handgun or shotgun or whatever. After that there is someone out there who doesn't think you should own a gun at all. It's that slippery slope.
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Ha. You say the USA isn’t anywhere near Venezuela . I say it isn’t anywhere near it yet. The checks and balances are gone when both political parties all become one and control every branch. See I don’t believe there is such a thing as republicans or Democrats. I think they are two sides of the same beast. One gets in power and blames the other for not being able to get anything done and vice versa, raising money and using government funds every time. How much if our money goes to actually doing things for the citizens of this country? Prove it. I believe it’s like the nra, a fraction of the money goes to actually addressing issues within our country. No sir, the corruption runs deep and is very evident if you pay attention. We ain’t Venezuela yet but it’s just a matter of time. All people are doing right now is prolonging the inevitable.

TomJ said:
This isn’t complicated. What we’re seeing in Venezuela is what we've seen repeatedly throughout history. A government that wants to disarm it’s citizens has never done so with good intentions. When the socialists who have taken control of the Democratic party push for a ban on private gun ownership, and that is their goal, it’s because they want control. Any other reason they spout is a lie. Venezuela is the latest example we need to learn from.
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Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. VZ is definitely a case study.
 
The unfortunate thing is that it doesn't even matter what the intentions are when it comes to disarming the populace. It can be done with the noblest of intentions. The result, though, is a population that is even more subject to the potential abuses of power - not just of those currently in charge, but also those who come along later.
 
SilentStalker said:
Ha. You say the USA isn’t anywhere near Venezuela . I say it isn’t anywhere near it yet. The checks and balances are gone when both political parties all become one and control every branch. See I don’t believe there is such a thing as republicans or Democrats. I think they are two sides of the same beast. One gets in power and blames the other for not being able to get anything done and vice versa, raising money and using government funds every time. How much if our money goes to actually doing things for the citizens of this country? Prove it. I believe it’s like the nra, a fraction of the money goes to actually addressing issues within our country. No sir, the corruption runs deep and is very evident if you pay attention. We ain’t Venezuela yet but it’s just a matter of time. All people are doing right now is prolonging the inevitable.



Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. VZ is definitely a case study.
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What you say is true in some cases, which is why I said previously no one should blindly follow a certain political party.

However keeping the topic to the 2nd amendment and to the situation in Venezuela, no the U.S.A is nowhere near like Venezuela and likely never will be. Political parties win, and they eventually lose and then the circle continues. America has corruption but it has a good constitution and transfer of power after elections are peaceful for the most part.

Right now California is basically a one party state but that doesn't mean it will always be.
If you actually ask most Americans even as partisan as they can be most do not want one party rule forever , and one keeping the other in check in cycles of elections is what most Americans prefer.
 
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One thing is true, whatever the reason the common people are in for it now.

Homemade fireworks launchers, poop bombs and Molotov cocktails against rifles, machine guns, tanks, helicopters etc.

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Why? The U.S. pumped countless small arms into South America throughout the second half of the 20th century.
 
ATLDave said:
Why? The U.S. pumped countless small arms into South America throughout the second half of the 20th century.
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I know but I didn't think we did so much in Venezuela. Besides given the years of Chavez and on who aligned themselves with Russian , Chinese and Cuba for weapons purchasing I just expect to those types of weapons. Looks like Venezuela might be a new source of Mosin one day to help beat down the rising prices now that Russia imports are blocked.
 
SilentStalker said:
On the other hand, they did vote for this crap.
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How do you know whether any of the individuals "vote[d] for this crap?" In a democracy, everyone is stuck with the results of how most voters chose... not how they individually chose. I have to live with my neighbors' choices pretty frequently.
 
lionking said:
I know but I didn't think we did so much in Venezuela. Besides given the years of Chavez and on who aligned themselves with Russian , Chinese and Cuba for weapons purchasing I just expect to those types of weapons. Looks like Venezuela might be a new source of Mosin one day to help beat down the rising prices now that Russia imports are blocked.
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Before Chavez, they were more in the U.S. orbit than the Soviet orbit.
 
Browning said:
Apparently they use a gigantic hodgepodge of weapons.

https://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/by-country.asp?Nation=Venezuela

I looked them up in 2017 when all the protests began and it appears that the arms sellers have been busy there. FNC's, A2's, AK's, Croat bullpups, Mosins, Beretta pistols and carbines ... its more a question of what they don't have.
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They have a huge hodgepodge if weapons.

ATLDave said:
How do you know whether any of the individuals "vote[d] for this crap?" In a democracy, everyone is stuck with the results of how most voters chose... not how they individually chose. I have to live with my neighbors' choices pretty frequently.
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Well, another thing to note is that perhaps none of them voted for this at all and it was all designed and forced down their throats. Truthfully, none of us know 100%, but I don’t know the 100% truth about our elections at home either. Sure seems like there is a lot of nonsense going on behind the curtains here at home. In fact, it’s so much so that many are losing faith in our system, me included. I can see a time, very soon, where the republicans win and the dems don’t accept it and fight back or vice versa. When neither side concedes, which is where we are headed, then there is a powder keg waiting to be lit. Our leaders are not helping things either, especially when some win by a decent margin but all of a sudden there is a recount where a huge number of ballots are magically found in favor of the original losing side. Does that sound like a legit fair played system to you? It doesn’t to me, nor many others and that number is growing each election cycle.
 
I share you concerns about the growing unwillingness to accept election results as legitimate, transfer power peacefully, etc. I really do worry about whether we are losing our republic.
 
It needs to be pointed out that the Venezuelan government is not disarming everybody. It is arming its supporters while disarming its enemies. The lesson to be learned here is about the evils of class warfare more than about the evils of gun control. What might happen in the U.S., if the current polarization continues and worsens, is that the conservatives might try to disarm the liberals, and the liberals might try to disarm the conservatives. That's what happens when you demonize your opponents. If the conservatives take control, it's going to be the liberals who would be screaming about their RKBA under the 2nd Amendment. (We have a historical precedent for this -- post-Civil War, gun control in the South was meant to disarm the freed blacks.)
 
AlexanderA said:
The Chavez-Maduro regime does not represent social justice, but outright class warfare.
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And you think it has been different here how?

You cannot bring people up by giving them money/things they never earned, as it doesn't teach them how to continue to stay in that class, they sink back down as soon as they spend the money/use up the things. It doesn't change who they are, and who they are is why they are where they are.
 
AlexanderA said:
The lesson to be learned here is about the evils of class warfare more than about the evils of gun control. What might happen in the U.S., if the current polarization continues and worsens, is that the conservatives might try to disarm the liberals, and the liberals might try to disarm the conservatives. That's what happens when you demonize your opponents.
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Which is exactly why the government should not have that much control/power.
 
ATLDave said:
I share you concerns about the growing unwillingness to accept election results as legitimate, transfer power peacefully, etc. I really do worry about whether we are losing our republic.
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The republic is slipping away everyday unless we deviate from the current path but I don’t see that happening. I think Trump may have been one of our last best shots. However, there is growing concern he may not be who he says he is. The next election cycle will be interesting. I feel like a lot of hinges that happened with the midterms and things that happened shortly afterwards was a test of sorts.
 
TomJ said:
When the socialists who have taken control of the Democratic party push for a ban on private gun ownership, and that is their goal, it’s because they want control.
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Actually, the socialists have not taken control of the Democratic party. In the new House that convenes in January, among the Democrats, the Progressive Caucus will have 96 members while the Blue Dog caucus has 24 and the New Democrats (centrists) have 89. So the conservative and centrist Democrats together will outnumber the progressives. The left wing of the party will have a really hard time getting Medicare for All, for example, through the House. To say nothing about draconian gun control.
 
SilentStalker said:
I think Trump may have been one of our last best shots. However, there is growing concern he may not be who he says he is. The next election cycle will be interesting.
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Trump, because of his misgovernance, is causing a reaction that will sweep the Democrats into power in 2020. And he's really no friend of gun owners.
 
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