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SW 2 piece barrels

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Can someone explain how SWs 2 piece barrels are installed at the factory. Not seeing a barrel nut, I can’t quite grasp the concept!
I can only figure the barrel wrench is also rifled and is inserted into the bore to tighten it. The shroud I’ve heard has a tab that fits into a matching recess in the frame to keep it properly aligned.
Any pictures or explanation is greatly appreciated!
 
S&W uses an internal barrel wrench to tighten to specs.
They do not make that wrench available, requiring barrel work to go back to them instead of the local gunsmith who used to be able to do that work.
Denis
 
Thanks Denis!
I suspected as much! A way to cut skilled labor in the manufacturing process!

I would love to have a picture of the inner barrel and the outer shroud. And the wrench if any one has one! Just curious.

I’m also suspecting the inner barrel has an integral lip on the muzzle end to hold the shroud tight against the frame!

I read some say it is more accurate, but I can’t see how provided the 1 pc barrel is sufficiently tight to frame.
 
Denis,
Does the wrench resemble a tee handle with fired boolit on the barrel insertion end?
That’s how I would have built it IF I was that talented! Which I ain’t, but wish I was!
 
S&W uses an internal barrel wrench to tighten to specs. They do not make that wrench available. . .

Seems like Brownell's could slug 20 barrels of each common caliber, hire out some 3D metrology, and produce a wrench and barrel inserts. Last I heard S&W was using EDM to cut rifling, so internal shape should be very consistent.
 
The system seems to work. Our most accurate S&Ws have the 2-piece barrel. The tensioned barrel concept works well for Dan Wesson as well.
 
Thanks 243!
Now old Catpop has pics to look at! I’m better at pics than words! Words confuse me!:rofl:
 
Now I see that torque is only 20 foot pounds.
That said, a full length barrel lead slug made on a turned 3/8 ratchet extension should grip well enough to remove and replace the barrel.
Jmho
 
Note that the tool seems to engage the rifling in the barrel tube? This supports the thin metal barrel ? I would not apply torque to only the front.

Barrel may get tighter with firing? More so with lead bulletes?

All a guess ?
 
Note that the tool seems to engage the rifling in the barrel tube? This supports the thin metal barrel ? I would not apply torque to only the front.

Barrel may get tighter with firing? More so with lead bulletes?

All a guess ?
Good input!
That’s why I said full length lead slug. But what do I know! I’m just an old blind squirrel!
 
I read some say it is more accurate, but I can’t see how provided the 1 pc barrel is sufficiently tight to frame.

AFAIK, S&W initially developed their 2-piece barrel for it's strength, any accuracy benefit was a bonus. It was developed for the then-new .500 magnum, where they found the traditional barrel tenon and frame created tension on the frame that turned out to be a weak point for the power of the cartridge.

As far as why the 2-piece system is more accurate, the way I look at it is like holding a 2x4 perpendicular to your body - holding the close end against your body with your 2 hands requires a lot of force on your hands, but leaves the far end relatively whippy. The other way - holding it at the far end while keeping the close end against your torso - requires less holding force, while simultaneously stabilizing the whole shebang.

Can anyone else care to offer a target with a 1 pc barrel from same gun

It wouldn't prove much - you'd need a statistically large sample of each, and each gun would need to be shooting ammo it likes best and would need to be shot from a ransom rest to take the shooter out of the equation.
 
S&W developed the two-piece barrel because it was cheaper.
Period.
Strength had nothing to do with it.

And there have been failures of those barrels at both ends.
Denis
 
Yes, cheaper, but we should consider why. The two piece barrel has a higher COGS, but it requires less skilled labor, less time and less material waste in assembly and the result is both more consistent and higher performance. With the one-piece barrel, a skilled smith had to turn just the right amount of thread on the barrel so that it would screw in to both the correct barrel-to-cylinder gap and align the top of the barrel at exactly 12 o'clock. If they missed it, it meant turning another near-360 degree thread and recutting and refinishing the face of the forcing cone to the correct gap. This would need to be repeated until they got it just right and if they cut the barrel too short they would have to discard it and start over with another one. A skilled smith could become efficient at it but only at the expense of much time and lost materials. Then they could command a higher wage. Inexperienced smiths would inevitably take more time, make more mistakes, cause more re-work, and either the total expense to S&W would go up or the quality would go down. The two-piece barrels on the other hand, can be made perfectly consistent on CNC equipment and then assembled in a way that the b/c gap can be set independently of the shroud's alignment. Because the barrel and shroud's materials are separate, they can be of different types. For example, a stainless steel barrel can be used with a Titanium shroud. Also, the barrel held in tension has been known to improve accuracy since Karl Lewis innovated that. I believe he invented it while working for Colt, but it may have first seen production when he moved to Dan Wesson.

I believe barrels of hot magnum revolvers are wear items. We've all heard the cliched terms describing the demise of early Model 19 forcing cones following a "steady diet" of full magnum loads. Whatever. How many Glock people think twice about swapping barrels? But for traditional revolvers the thought brings anxiety and significant expense. If you want a collector piece that represents the hand craftsmanship of the 20th century, get a one-piece barrel and make sure it's also pinned and the cylinder is recessed. If you want a functional tool, the two-piece barrel makes sense.
 
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Swap a GLOCK BARREL?????????
Sacrilege!

Then the serial numbers would not match, utterly destroying all collector value on a premium pistol!
Denis
 
S&W developed the two-piece barrel because it was cheaper.
Period.
Strength had nothing to do with it.

Written by a gun writer, so take it FWIW. ;)

From http://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/handgun_reviews_monster_1103/100496
At the frame's opposite end, the Model 500 also employs a new method of barrel attachment. On all other steel-frame/steel-barrel S&W revolvers, the barrel is threaded directly into the frame with a "crush-fit" interface that is forcefully tightened into proper index and requires substantial minimum barrel diameter and frame enclosure material. By contrast, the X-Frame design uses a two-part barrel assembly consisting of in internal rifled barrel tube, and a separate enclosing barrel shroud. In assembly, the shroud is first placed over the index tabs on the front of the frame, and then the barrel tube is inserted and threaded into the frame with an enlarged ring around its muzzle bringing the shroud tightly against the frame as it torques down.

The system is superficially similar to the well-known interchangeable-barrel Dan Wesson system, but unlike a Dan Wesson barrel it is a permanent installation with a hard-fitted, nonadjustable barrel-cylinder gap. Like the Dan Wesson system, however, the result is that the actual barrel with the rifled bore is supported at both ends, not just at the rear, which enhances accuracy. And, most important of all, the barrel portion that is threaded through the frame at the critical location of the forcing cone, which must absorb all the punishing impact of the bullet as it leaps from the face of the cylinder, is a nonstressed interface. This is a real benefit to the gun's longevity, considering the intensely high impact energy of the .500 Smith & Wesson Magnum cartridge.
 
The 2 pcs bbl is to save weight.

The shrould is not steel. The barrel tube is. The 337PD hits the scale at 10 oz empty. Its rated for 38 special +p jacketed ammo only. No lead. Lead may jump crimp, is the reason given by S&W.
 
The 2 pcs bbl is to save weight.

The shrould is not steel. The barrel tube is. The 337PD hits the scale at 10 oz empty. Its rated for 38 special +p jacketed ammo only. No lead. Lead may jump crimp, is the reason given by S&W.
No boolits l!!!!!! Now that is real sacrilege!!!!!
 
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