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i don't give two hoots in hades that it hurts the organization. When WLP leaves office i will resume my contributions if safe guards are put in place to prevent another takeover of the NRA by a self serving despot.
Why is it so hard for you to understand that withholding donations hurts the organization, whatever else it may, or may not accomplish?
And giving money to the organization, in its present state, does little to promote the cause, in light of the public image.Why is it so hard for you to understand that withholding donations hurts the organization, whatever else it may, or may not accomplish?
I agree it hurts the organization but at present it is the only input the organization has left it's members to make meaningful changes to the organization's leadership. If I could do something that only attack WLP, his cronies, and their wasteful activities without hurting the pro-2A activities of the NRA I would. But that is not an option given the way the NRA is currently organized.Why is it so hard for you to understand that withholding donations hurts the organization, whatever else it may, or may not accomplish?
To be blunt, you are clueless. Unless organizational personnel change occurs, we will see a long slide downward. Pouring money into it, in a manner that keeps incompetence in office - hurts the organization more than a transition to a better team. It's that simple.
In fact, a clean slate of honest folks might bring in:
1. More contributions as folks see the organization as returning to competency and core mission.
2. Weaken the attacks by antigunners as the easy targets of corruption and whack job pronouncements on irrelevant social issues will be abated.
3. Might attract new members if we get a strategy for a more inclusive membership who understand the core mission is not to be a stepstool for one party or political world view. It is to defend, promote and actually expand the practical aspects of the RKBA. If you want the whole organization to be a fringe, conservative, old white man club - you are also clueless.
The National Rifle Association has recovered from a membership drop after President Trump’s 2016 election and is now at the highest levels ever in its history.
New figures put the membership at approximately 5.5 million.
If you want the whole organization to be a fringe, conservative, old white man club - you are also clueless.
Who is celebrating? Most seem to think it’s a loss. In fact, some in the ILA wish to separate themselves from WLP corruption.
Again, I hate to say that some of you just don’t get the point that wanting to get rid of bad personnel is not attacking the organization itself. Why are you unable to understand this or so bound up in a cult of personality?
I have seen three organizations that I was involved with have bad leadership. No one wanted the joint to fail, we just desired competency and honesty. The ‘leader’ had a cadre of toadies who bleated about disloyalty and wanting to destroy the place. However, they had a real board and the ‘leader’ was sent away, and the place was fine.
Get it through your head and understand the difference between personnel and the organization/cause.
If it takes a period of decreased contributions to get the personnel changes as the only effective input, that is regrettable.
If some would just be honest here, they are hurting the NRA because the NRA supported Trump. These members are just not honest enough to come out and say that and are hiding behind a pile of $20,000 suits.
All I can say is that if I were an antigunner, I would want Wayne LaPierre & co. to stay in charge of the NRA. Their presence hobbles its effectiveness. In fact they have brought it to the brink of destruction.
The issue of how to strike a balance between gun rights and public safety has been a political hot potato for years, and one that Congress has dealt with gingerly, if at all.
The political climate of 2019 would hardly seem ripe for action on the issue. Republicans generally oppose any type of gun control legislation — only four of 54 Senate Republicans voted in favor of the 2015 background check bill.
President Donald Trump has repeatedly pledged to protect Second Amendment rights and often warns gun owners that their Second Amendment rights are “under assault.” In an April speech to NRA members, Trump announced he will not ratify America’s participation in the international Arms Trade Treaty, which would provide some international oversight on arms sales.
In opposition to the Republicans, the newly Democratic-controlled House has made passing gun control legislation a priority. So far, the House passed two measures with some bipartisan support that strengthen and expand the background check process. The House also passed a reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act, opposed by the NRA because of the bill’s measure that seeks to prevent domestic abusers from obtaining guns.
In between here is a long chart showing how well gun-rights organizations have done in political contributions. It doesn't break this out but I'm sure the lion's share of this is from the NRA.
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/issues/guns
HAMMOND: The Trump Administration Is Becoming Strangely Anti-Gun
https://dailycaller.com/2019/06/13/hammond-trump-anti-gun/
TRUMP PICKS ANTI-GUNNER TO LEAD ATF
https://gunowners.org/alert53019/
Trump: Will 'seriously look' at banning gun silencers
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-banning-gun-silencers/story?id=63502902
A Gun Rights Group Says Trump Has Gone From Supporter "To The Gun-Grabber In Chief"
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...-supporters-say-trump-has-turned-into-the-gun
Op-Ed Argues Trump More Of A Gun Control President Than Obama
https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2018/12/27/opinion-trump-gun-control-president-obama/
On March 14, pro-gun Sens. Kevin Cramer (R-ND) and John Kennedy (R-LA) introduced S. 821 the Freedom Financing Act, a bill to prohibit discrimination against the firearms industry in the provision of financial services.
We have long been reporting on how anti-gun activists are seeking to use access to financial services as a means to punish and suppress lawful firearm-related commerce.
First came Operation Choke Point, a supposed “anti-fraud” effort during the Obama administration that morphed into a campaign by federal regulators to intimidate banks and payment processers into refusing business with politically disfavored clients, including firearm-related businesses. That program was officially repudiated by the Trump Administration, but for some businesses, the damage had already been done
I am sure that, since you quoted my post, You know that President Trump has done some good as well.
And so, what would be your alternative?
Or are you here just to throw stones and destroy?
At least you're not hiding behind the WLP issue, points for that.
In Las Vegas, reports indicate that certain devices were used to modify the firearms involved. Despite the fact that the Obama administration approved the sale of bump fire stocks on at least two occasions, the National Rifle Association is calling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) to immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law. The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations.
https://home.nra.org/joint-statement
My alternative would be to get rid of WLP and other cronies, and install leadership that will hold Trump accountable for his anti-2A agenda, his anti-2A appointments, and remind him what the $100 million dollars the NRA spent on Trumps campaign was spent for.
Not this:
My alternative would be to get rid of WLP and other cronies, and install leadership that will hold Trump accountable for his anti-2A agenda, his anti-2A appointments, and remind him what the $100 million dollars the NRA spent on Trumps campaign was spent for.
[/QUOTE]Since the Gun Owners Association is being presented for discussion;
The GOA total revenue for 2016 was $2,259,601 and executive compensation and other salaries was a whopping 26.4% of total revenue. $622,687 in executive compensation and other salaries doesn't leave much for fighting for our 2A rights.
Hummm. All of this anger about WLP's clothing allowance but no anger over the GOA executive compensation and other salaries.
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/521256643