Rifle Buttstock Ammo Carriers - Is It Just Me?

Garandimal · Oct 15, 2020

Within the Ethos of quick and humane "One Shot - One Kill" hunting...

One goes out and spends an extra Grand purchasing a sub 6 lb., 4+1 capacity Kimber Mountain Ascent - vs. the 1.5 lb. heavier, 5+1 capacity Winchester M70 EW/SS...

... and then goes and puts over Half-a-Pound of additional (brush catching) ammo (9-round carrier) back onto the rifle.

[scratching_head]

GR

1KPerDay · Oct 15, 2020

Meh, maybe that’s all the ammo he carries and likes to keep the rifle magazine empty for transport or hiking or whatever. So 4 extra rounds?

if not, who cares. His rifle. Looks like it worked.

mcb · Oct 15, 2020

I don't think that ammo carrier weighs half a pound. The weight of the ammo does not count if you were going to carry that many rounds anyway. I have used a very similar if not that same product in really thick brush (lots of crab-apple and multiflora rose briars) and never had any real snag issue. Mine looks much more worn for sure. It carries the spare ammo very quietly. In my own use the easy access of a spare round(s) at that location put my first buck on the ground after suffering and then overcoming a bad case of buck fever.

illinoisburt · Oct 15, 2020

I use something very similar on all my hunting rifles and slug shotgun. Never had an issue of snagging or ammo falling out. It's really convenient, never forget ammo or have wrong ammo for the gun, and know immediately if a gun is loaded as rounds are missing. One wasted hunting trip without ammo many years ago was enough for me.

HB · Oct 15, 2020

All of my non-detachable mag rifles have them

edwardware · Oct 15, 2020

Garandimal said:
... and then goes and puts over Half-a-Pound of additional (brush catching) ammo (9-round carrier) back onto the rifle.

Your right! That really needed a DBM and a 20 round PMag.

And a bipod. :neener:

Garandimal · Oct 15, 2020

mcb said:
I don't think that ammo carrier weighs half a pound. The weight of the ammo does not count if you were going to carry that many rounds anyway. I have used a very similar if not that same product in really thick brush (lots of crab-apple and multiflora rose briars) and never had any real snag issue. Mine looks much more worn for sure. It carries the spare ammo very quietly. In my own use the easy access of a spare round(s) at that location put my first buck on the ground after suffering and then overcoming a bad case of buck fever.

150 gr. .30-06: 27.0 g
x9: 243.0 g
/28.35 (g/oz): 8.57 oz.
/16 (oz/lb): 0.53 lb.
+ Carrier: 0.09 lb.
Total: 0.62 lb.

Math - who knew.

GR

earlthegoat2 · Oct 15, 2020

In that application I would have to agree. However, I do not agree in general.

That said, I have tried them out in a few lever actions while hunting and they throw the balance of the gun off for me significantly. I love them or some other quick access ammo carrier when using a single shot.

Garandimal · Oct 15, 2020

earlthegoat2 said:
In that application I would have to agree. However, I do not agree in general.

That said, I have tried them out in a few lever actions while hunting and they throw the balance of the gun off for me significantly. I love them or some other quick access ammo carrier when using a single shot.

Absolutely agree.

But the Kimber Mountain Ascent has a 4+1 mag capacity.

And the premium on the Kimber (over the Winchester) is $666.66/lb.

So that's $413 worth of loaded ammo carrier.

[rubbing_chin]

GR

mcb · Oct 15, 2020

Garandimal said:
150 gr. .30-06: 27.0 g
x9: 243.0 g
/28.35 (g/oz): 8.57 oz.
/16 (oz/lb): 0.53 lb.
+ Carrier: 0.09 lb.
Total: 0.62 lb.

Math - who knew.

GR

Except I already said the ammo does not count if you were already going to carry it. The carrier weighs all of .09 lbs nearly negligible in the grand scheme of things. And if you were already going to carry 9rds of spare ammo why does it matter if it's on the rifle, in you pocket (rattling) or in your pack (hard to get to). You were going to carry the ammo anyway.

One shot one kill is the goal but it would be foolish to not be prepared to do more if necessary.

It also appears that is 300 Win Mag ammo so you are a little light on your ammo weight calculation.

Garandimal · Oct 15, 2020

mcb said:
Except I already said the ammo does not count if you were already going to carry it. The carrier weighs all of .09 lbs nearly negligible in the grand scheme of things. And if you were already going to carry 9rds of spare ammo why does it matter if it's on the rifle, in you pocket (rattling) or in your pack (hard to get to). You were going to carry the ammo anyway.

One shot one kill is the goal but it would be foolish to not be prepared to do more if necessary.

It also appears that is 300 Win Mag ammo so you a little light on you ammo weight calculation.

The issue is Loaded Ammo Carrier, as per pic.

At $666.66/lb rifle cost...?

Carry the damn ammo in your pack/belt/pocket.

Or, save a Grand and just buy the Winchester.
(But that's just me, obviously.)

GR

IdaD · Oct 15, 2020

I generally throw my extra ammo in my pack. I'm still carrying it either way but I think it's less noticeable in a pack than it would be on the rifle.

Rexster · Oct 15, 2020

Maybe the stock, being so light, upset the balance, so, he used the cartridge carrier to balance the rifle?

Personally, I tried one of those “sock” type cartridge holsters, many years ago, and got tired of it snagging on things, and generally moving from its desire place.

I am much more concerned about his muzzle discipline, than what is happening at the hind end of the weapon. I don’t think I want to be within two miles of him, while he is handing that rifle.

doubleh · Oct 15, 2020

It's his rifle. Why should anyone else care? I used to use one when I carried a Contender rifle to coyote hunt and it worked well.

MCMXI · Oct 15, 2020

Garandimal said:
One goes out and spends an extra Grand purchasing a sub 6 lb., 4+1 capacity Kimber Mountain Ascent - vs. the 1.5 lb. heavier, 5+1 capacity Winchester M70 EW/SS...

Based on the photo, the rifle doesn't look like a Kimber anything to me!

JeffG · Oct 15, 2020

Nope, not just you. Love 'em.

MCMXI · Oct 15, 2020

Actually, I'm fairly sure that the rifle shown is a Nosler M48 Liberty, most likely ordered as a custom with the green stock. In addition, the lightest rifle in the Liberty line up is 6.75lb.

https://www.nosler.com/m48-liberty-rifle

mcb · Oct 15, 2020

Garandimal said:
The issue is Loaded Ammo Carrier, as per pic.

At $666.66/lb rifle cost...?

Carry the damn ammo in your pack/belt/pocket.

Or, save a Grand and just buy the Winchester.
(But that's just me, obviously.)

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GR

He paid all that money so that when he put that extra ammo on it it would weigh the same as the heavier/cheaper rifle but he would have the extra rounds close and ready.

Garandimal · Oct 15, 2020

MCMXI said:
Actually, I'm fairly sure that the rifle shown is a Nosler M48 Liberty, most likely ordered as a custom with the green stock. In addition, the lightest rifle in the Liberty line up is 6.75lb.

https://www.nosler.com/m48-liberty-rifle

That would be even worse.

~ the same cost as the Kimber... and puts it Over the weight of the Winchester.

[mumbling_to_self]

GR

Garandimal · Oct 15, 2020

mcb said:
He paid all that money so that when he put that extra ammo on it it would way the same as the heavier/cheaper rifle but he would have the extra rounds close and ready.

In case the Sheep rush him in a bayonet charge.

... or attempt to roll up his flanks in a pincer movement?

GR

mcb · Oct 15, 2020

Garandimal said:
In case the Sheep rush him in a bayonet charge.

... or attempt to roll up his flanks in a pincer movement?

GR

Now your thinking about this in the right context. :thumbup:

Riomouse911 · Oct 15, 2020

I’m not quite getting what the hoopla is. That’s a nice ram. Looks like all went well for him on that not-so-inexpensive hunt. That’s a nice rifle, and it sure looks like the caliber/rifle/scope combo was an effective one. I’m sure it was quite a trek down the scree fall for both the hunter and the guide. Once all was finished, he has memories of a lifetime and I’m sure the mount looks awesome in his den! :thumbup:

I guess if he had a pocket full of loose rounds, rather than the handy stock cuff, we wouldn’t be here?

And yes, the muzzle discipline being displayed is severely lacking.

Stay safe.,

brasscollector · Oct 15, 2020

MCMXI said:
I'm fairly sure that the rifle shown is a Nosler M48 Liberty, most likely ordered as a custom with the green stock.

He's not wearing a Kimber hat in that pic...

LoonWulf · Oct 15, 2020

Hehe, so I find this discussion kinda amusing, as I've argued both sides......

I have buttstock ammo carriers on about 1/2 of my rifles, and a 1/4lb cheek riser on my Christensen. Mostly the ammo carriers are so i can put stuff under them to raise the combs, which means they are usually on heavier guns. The christensen needs the extra height of the riser, and its basically a sporter weight rifle with a heavy contour barrel anyway, so adding 1/4LB isnt a big deal. when used in the riser capacity, ive got a few that have never had a round in the loops.

I like to have them for riding around in the truck as well, as its easier to keep track of ammo in the cuff, than it is fishing it out of my pocket or pulling it out of the ashtray. SO if i dont have a DM on a gun, ill likely just stick an ammo cuff on for the day and leave a few rounds in it.
I also find them most useful on guns which im actually going to try and stalk with, as I like having as little in my pockets as possible, and usually drop my backpack at the start of the stalk.

Flip side is if I KNOW im going to be shooting from my bag, wont be jumping out of the truck to chase something with just my rifle etc, I dont find them real useful ways to carry spare ammo so why add the extra ...stuff.

MCMXI · Oct 15, 2020

brasscollector said:
He's not wearing a Kimber hat in that pic...

Yep ... Nosler hat, Nosler rifle, Nosler ammunition ... I bet he didn't pay for the hunt either. Maybe the ammo carrier is there simply to show off the ammo.

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