When is a Remington Model 11 not a Model 11?

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Model 11s were made from 1905 up until 1947. John Browning came up with the design sold it to FN who made it the Auto 5 then licensed it to Remington as the 11 then Savage as the model 720. Apparently the Browning Auto 5 was made up until 1998 but is a completely different design now.

They typically have 5 shot tube mags. The cool thing about them it that you can add Rem 870/1100 extended mag tubes to them to increase capacity. As such they make a pretty decent HD gun particularly if you cut the barrel down.

So last fall I ran across a shotgun advertised as a Model 11 on a local gun forum. When I looked at it I was overwhelmed at it's like new condition for being 74 years old (made in 1946). It looked like a Model 11, felt like a model 11, operated like a model 11, must be a model 11, right? I grabbed it and brought it home. I was busy so didn't have a lot of time to go over it for a couple days.

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When I finally got around to looking closely at it I noticed that the fore arm, magazine tube and cap are different than a Model 11. I also discovered is that is doesn't say Model 11 anywhere on it. I should have looked closer when I bought it.

Had to do some research and I found out it is not a Model 11 but a variation called the Sportsman which came out in the early 1930s. The Sportsman was a 3 shot (2 round mag) lighter version of the 11 made for markets where you were limited to 3 shots like duck hunters. Up until now I wasn't aware of this variation. Not very much info on them.

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The bad news is that this version cannot be readily converted to an extended mag tube without replacing the tube, forearm and cap. Mag tube assemblies are not readily available for 70+ year old shotguns.

The good news it that it is in very good to excellent condition and I got it for a very good price. It looks brand new.

The other good news it that the barrel will fit my Savage 720 and any Model 11 or Auto 5. Subsequently If I wanted I could cut the barrel down and use it with my 5 shot 720. I

This Savage 720 was my dads. It has sentimental value so I don't want to cut it's barrel.
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The Savage with the Sportsman C-Lec ckoke barrel and +2 mag extension. I marked the barrel @ 18.25". That's where it would be cut.

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I've taken both these guns up to my hunting property and ran with and without the tube extension and swapped the barrels back and forth. Both ran without a glitch.

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Bottom line is that I still have the Sportsman and I didn't cut it down. I'm going to take it turkey hunting this spring and see how it does. The adjustable choke is handy. So I got a good quality, like new condition vintage semi auto shotgun for $200. Not what I was expecting but not a bad deal overall.
 
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Pedantic interruption. Browning makes an A5 today that has the profile of the humped Auto 5 receiver, but it is an inertia operated semi-auto that shares no parts or internals with the original Auto5.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming: Awesome gun. Enjoy!
 
Sportsman C-Lec ckoke barrel
If it were me I wouldn't touch that C-lec choke. I really like them. Sure beats a pocket full of choke tubes and the ones I've owned worked great. Most people see them as unattractive as a door knob but I have grown to really appreciate the beauty of their function.
By the way, you have a couple of nice guns there.
 
Pedantic interruption. Browning makes an A5 today that has the profile of the humped Auto 5 receiver, but it is an inertia operated semi-auto that shares no parts or internals with the original Auto5.

I'm usually pretty thick skinned. Ive read some pretty nasty things about myself in the bathrooms at work written by employees. Don't bother me.... but yes I was a bit upset by that too. We should demand an apology or cancel mac66. Lol


But yep. Nice guns. I'm a classic shotgun fan myself. Pumps and old semi-autos mostly. Never seen that version. The A-5 was a heavy beast. A lighter version could be nice.
 
I'm usually pretty thick skinned. Ive read some pretty nasty things about myself in the bathrooms at work written by employees. Don't bother me.... but yes I was a bit upset by that too. We should demand an apology or cancel mac66. Lol


But yep. Nice guns. I'm a classic shotgun fan myself. Pumps and old semi-autos mostly. Never seen that version. The A-5 was a heavy beast. A lighter version could be nice.


In all fairness to me and to split hairs, I just said they still made the Auto 5 (which they do) I didn't say it was the same gun. ;)
 
In all fairness to me and to split hairs, I just said they still made the Auto 5 (which they do) I didn't say it was the same gun. ;)

Ok. Let’s split hairs.

Auto 5s are still made to this day”.

No. They aren't. FN makes an A5. Different gun. Different name.

To quote Browning, on their website:

“...this ain’t your Grandpa’s Auto-5.”

https://www.browning.com/products/firearms/shotguns/a5.html
 
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I second the above opinion of preserving the choked barrel.

I have a Winchester 97 with one and had an M11 with one as well. They work very nicely.

Todd.
 
The bad news is that this version cannot be readily converted to an extended mag tube without replacing the tube, forearm and cap. Mag tube assemblies are not readily available for 70+ year old shotguns.

Do you think that the forearm is so different from the standard 11 as to not be interchangeable?

I ask because I found a new-in-box, older Remington *Model 11* forearm that I wanted to use to protect my oh-so-rare G.I. version when we bust clays with it. No-fit, no-joy. It is certainly not for a 20 gauge but won't work (in part for length) on my GI M11. Always left me a bit curious.

Todd.
 
Do you think that the forearm is so different from the standard 11 as to not be interchangeable?

I ask because I found a new-in-box, older Remington *Model 11* forearm that I wanted to use to protect my oh-so-rare G.I. version when we bust clays with it. No-fit, no-joy. It is certainly not for a 20 gauge but won't work (in part for length) on my GI M11. Always left me a bit curious.

Todd.

The Sportsman forearm won't fit on my 720, it's too short and cap thread is different. And the 720 forearm is too long for the Sportsman. So I'm guessing the Sportsman won't work on a regular 11 either.
 
The Sportsman forearm won't fit on my 720, it's too short and cap thread is different. And the 720 forearm is too long for the Sportsman. So I'm guessing the Sportsman won't work on a regular 11 either.
Thanks for that. Goes a long way to explaining the mystery of that forearm I have then.

Todd.
 
Nice shotgun! Would have gotten it in a heartbeat I’m a huge fan of that style.It would be a shame to see the barrel cut. Do as you please with your property of course, but it pains me to see people chop up a classic shotgun for home defense.

I don’t have any experience with the adjustable chokes of that style but It would not be a deal breaker at all for me. You can often get the gun cheaper than one without it.
Now that my gears are turning I may have to try and find an old classic like yours to give it a try. I do a lot of mixed bag small game hunts with a scatter gun and the quick adjustment of choke size could be pretty handy.
 
Nice shotgun! Would have gotten it in a heartbeat I’m a huge fan of that style.It would be a shame to see the barrel cut. Do as you please with your property of course, but it pains me to see people chop up a classic shotgun for home defense.

I don’t have any experience with the adjustable chokes of that style but It would not be a deal breaker at all for me. You can often get the gun cheaper than one without it.
Now that my gears are turning I may have to try and find an old classic like yours to give it a try. I do a lot of mixed bag small game hunts with a scatter gun and the quick adjustment of choke size could be pretty handy.

I'm pretty sure I'm not going to cut the Sportsman down. It's just too nice a gun. Instead I will probably hunt with it. I have bunch of vintage shotguns but this is vintage semi auto in like new condition so what's not to like about it? :)

My son is into the latest and greatest tactical guns, I've been going back to vintage stuff. This is the 3rd or 4th vintage shotgun or rifle I've bought in the last couple of years.
 
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Correction to my posted info. I just checked the Sportsman barrel and the choke is a Polychoke, not a C-Lect choke as previously stated. My bad, faulty memory.
 
You don't run into the three shot version all that often. Not sure if they draw collector pricing but I would check if I were you. Particularly as your is in a higher grade condition.
 
The three shot models are indeed harder to find. Minor bump in value, but not much.

The sportsman model was *intended* to be a budget version of the five shot model. You’ll also see the sportsman moniker on other remington products of the era. Later, they tried the same scheme with the Mohawk lineup, but i think they took it a bit too far and ended up cheaping out on quality.

but all in all, yours is still a Model 11!
 
For those who are interested, some of the markings on the gun. The Sportsman is on the bolt. Flying birds on both sides

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The Polychoke looks to be factory issue based on the flared barrel.

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The forearm is held on with a knob integral with the end of the forearm unlike a cap found on the Auto 5, Rem 11 and Savage 720. There is also a pin the pushes out from one side to help you unscrew it. It's sits flush otherwise.

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The knob is integral with the forearm

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That piece of paper is the setting for the friction ring to adjust recoil. Kinda cool that it's still there after 70+ years.

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And the 2 round tube magazine

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I shot it last fall with target loads, field loads and heavy turkey loads. Didn't have any issues and that was before I learned you could adjust the recoil. Just checked and found the friction ring set at the highest setting i.e, for heavy loads.

It is a very nice shotgun
 
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For those who are interested, some of the markings on the gun. The Sportsman is on the bolt. Flying bird on both sides
That piece of paper is the setting for the friction ring to adjust recoil

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I switch my 11 from buck to clays a few times a year and have to keep looking for my ring instructions each time. I ought to shrink one and put it in the hand guard like that.

That leverage pin is a nice touch.

Todd.
 
I switch my 11 from buck to clays a few times a year and have to keep looking for my ring instructions each time. I ought to shrink one and put it in the hand guard like that.

That leverage pin is a nice touch.

Todd.

I think it came with the instructions stuck there but I agree. Been thinking about doing that for my Model 720.
 
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