NRA Headquarters…deteriorating???

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Hurricane Ida didn't hit the area too badly. We had a fair amount of rain, but that was about it. I wouldn't ascribe the alleged damage to the NRA building to Ida.
 
For those of you who think the clothes, trips and private jet flights were OK, what about this?

https://www.realtor.com/news/trends/luxe-texas-mansion-nra-nearly-bought-wayne-lapierre/

Spend the annual dues of 200,000 members on that first and then let’s see what’s left to spend on lobbying. Just the idea that WLP thinks he’s entitled to that pisses me off. But it’s kind of a moot point anyway because as far as I can tell, the NRA is broke. Isn’t that what Bankruptcy is?
 
That fact that article is published demonstrates hypocrisy and illustrates the “anti NRA” actions driven by the Leftists. Of course they are going to focus on that. While ignoring the “other” sides issues. I really don’t care what a doctor does with the money I pay him, just do the job I paid you do do. Same here. I don’t care, just keep the .gov off our backs.

Now, if they start failing at that job, then that’s a problem.
 
kwguy said:
That fact that article is published demonstrates hypocrisy and illustrates the “anti NRA” actions driven by the Leftists. Of course they are going to focus on that. While ignoring the “other” sides issues. I really don’t care what a doctor does with the money I pay him, just do the job I paid you do do. Same here. I don’t care, just keep the .gov off our backs.

Now, if they start failing at that job, then that’s a problem.
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Well the facts are there is serious malfeasance that Wayne along with the board are responsible for. If he cared about the NRA and it's members he would resign. But he doesn't and he won't.
 
kwguy said:
That fact that article is published demonstrates hypocrisy and illustrates the “anti NRA” actions driven by the Leftists. Of course they are going to focus on that. While ignoring the “other” sides issues. I really don’t care what a doctor does with the money I pay him, just do the job I paid you do do. Same here. I don’t care, just keep the .gov off our backs.

Now, if they start failing at that job, then that’s a problem.
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IMHO ... and this is strictly mho, but there are illustratively bad examples to cite of the NRA's failure to-do their job by even the most simple and basic of anyone's expectations.

For example:

1 - they sided with the Brady cabal and the ATF and, in doing-so, they basically forced Trump to sign an EO banning bump stocks. Trump has even said that he consulted with "the top" people at the NRA and was told not to "die on bump stock hill" and that it was a losing proposition.

2 - The NRA endorsed Liz Cheney, they endorsed Mark Kelly and they endorsed Adam Kinzinger among others who have been anything but pro 2A. Most famously the NRA, under WLP's leadership, endorsed Harry Reid on multiple occasions.

3 - Harlen Carter and his protégé Neal Knox (who's Son wrote the piece I posted earlier in a couple of other threads) warned us all, back in the day, about WLP and that he would be the downfall of the organization if allowed to advance after Heston.
 
Airborne Falcon said:
IMHO ... and this is strictly mho, but there are illustratively bad examples to cite of the NRA's failure to-do their job by even the most simple and basic of anyone's expectations.

For example:

1 - they sided with the Brady cabal and the ATF and, in doing-so, they basically forced Trump to sign an EO banning bump stocks. Trump has even said that he consulted with "the top" people at the NRA and was told not to "die on bump stock hill" and that it was a losing proposition.

2 - The NRA endorsed Liz Cheney, they endorsed Mark Kelly and they endorsed Adam Kinzinger among others who have been anything but pro 2A. Most famously the NRA, under WLP's leadership, endorsed Harry Reid on multiple occasions.

3 - Harlen Carter and his protégé Neal Knox (who's Son wrote the piece I posted earlier in a couple of other threads) warned us all, back in the day, about WLP and that he would be the downfall of the organization if allowed to advance after Heston.
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Those are quantifiably disturbing. Another Heston would be nice.
 
jag22 said:
I wonder if this story about the building is correct or was it written by left wing activists to get members riled up and cause dissension. If so it seems to have worked.
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Yes it is. Dissension/division will destroy the organization from the inside. It works on a constitutional republic too.

ETA. All buildings leak eventually. It's only news if it's presented in a certain way.
 
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230RN said:
If a General screws up, you relieve and replace the General. You don't disband the army and let the enemy take over.

Of course that would delight the enemy.

Terry, 230RN
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The problem is there is no way to remove said corrupt general (WLP) from the leadership of the NRA. Over the years he has manipulated the by-laws of the organization in such a way that there is no way for the membership to force him out. The BoD can't even force him out the way thing currently stand. Unless something changes we are sort of stuck disbanding the NRA, or at least walking away from it and support others pro-2A groups.
 
1 - they sided with the Brady cabal and the ATF and, in doing-so, they basically forced Trump to sign an EO banning bump stocks. Trump has even said that he consulted with "the top" people at the NRA and was told not to "die on bump stock hill" and that it was a losing proposition.
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The NRA's story of that incident is that:
1. After Las Vegas, there was a moral panic that was leading to a bill that would ban all semis. The Democrats were of course for it. However, there were enough Republicans in favor of it to provide a veto proof majority.
2. That may have not been needed as Trump was good to go with the ban.
3. The NRA send a wise man to Trump (perhaps Cox), to divert his limited attention to a bump ban, so they deliberately sacrificed the bump stocks to stop the total ban. That the precedent for such action against previously legal items was bad but it was an acceptable loss
4. Thus they weren't for a ban but it was the lesser of evils.
5. A reasonable strategy was to turn the issue to Congressional hearings and slow down / defuse the moral panic. Trump didn't think that deeply as usual.

Now, some in the NRA have a different take but those voices are swallowed up by the current horror show.
 
That article was written by Save The NRA.

Apparently few, if any, here have heard of Save The NRA. Save The NRA is a group of NRA life members and above who have very good insight into the NRA flaming dumpster fire.

That organization was the first to point out that a federal judge had ruled that WLP lied when he accused Oliver North of threatening him: The phone call was witnessed by Dan Boren and Meadows who refused to lie for WLP. The same federal judge also ruled that WLP committed fraud in a letter. He also ruled that NRA's lawyer, one Brewer, may not participate in the Ackermann-McQueen lawsuit.
 
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The NRA's story of that incident ... they deliberately sacrificed the bump stocks to stop the total ban. That the precedent for such action against previously legal items was bad but it was an acceptable loss
4. Thus they weren't for a ban but it was the lesser of evils.
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Is that not always their excuse?

They had no choice ... it was someone else's fault ... therefore they took the path owned by the lesser of the two evils.

Then blame it on someone else again.

Who does that remind you of by chance? Most certainly not the one you indicted in your version of what happened. Matter of fact the one you mentioned three (3) times has expressed his mea culpa and vowed to reverse it first chance he gets.

Either way, the phrase you failed to include is, "it was a no win situation." Not in the short term anyway but the NRA refused to force it into a long term debate because it definitely was a morally emotional time, among some. That's what I think, just maybe, perhaps, you were getting-at? In #5? But instead you played the Trump Card. Rather than, in the heat of the moment it was a no win situation.

We try hard to avoid dangling that (Trump Card) sort of political bait around here do we not GEM? Shame on you.

ETA: BTW I agree completely with you on point #2. Shame on him for laying down that easily. It infuriated many of us when he did that and he soon came to realize that he acted far too quickly. Hopefully he learned his lesson when it comes to 2A issues in the future.
 
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I did not play any Trump card. I simply reported what the NRA said about the situation in public forums. So you analysis is totally off the mark. The story I posted was on the TX gun forums from a NRA VP.

That Trump didn't think deeply about it. So what - the end result was the ban that he promoted. If you love him despite that good for you.

Is that political, sure but when politics and personal characteristics influence the RKBA blind loyalty to a leader is not a good thing. Trump failed the RKBA. He acted too quickly. Well, that's a failing over a major constitutional issue. So now he's sorry, wah, wah.
 
GEM said:
The NRA's story of that incident is that:
1. After Las Vegas, there was a moral panic that was leading to a bill that would ban all semis. The Democrats were of course for it. However, there were enough Republicans in favor of it to provide a veto proof majority.
2. That may have not been needed as Trump was good to go with the ban.
3. The NRA send a wise man to Trump (perhaps Cox), to divert his limited attention to a bump ban, so they deliberately sacrificed the bump stocks to stop the total ban. That the precedent for such action against previously legal items was bad but it was an acceptable loss
4. Thus they weren't for a ban but it was the lesser of evils.
5. A reasonable strategy was to turn the issue to Congressional hearings and slow down / defuse the moral panic. Trump didn't think that deeply as usual.

Now, some in the NRA have a different take but those voices are swallowed up by the current horror show.
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A ban on all semis never would have happened. It will never happen here. That's just the NRA caving, just like history has shown us that they do.
 
This what the NRA said. Not my story, so take it or leave it.
Would a moral panic cause Congress and a President to push a ban, of course they would if they thought it would benefit their electoral prospects.
 
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