That approach has resulted in criminal convictions, some of which have been discussed on THR.
As long as he does not bring a gun ito it.
Car Jacking--What would YOU Do?
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And he did NOT... as you would know had you seen the video before you offered up your .02.
As I would also, until it would be my life that was the issue, rather than the vehicle.
I did not imply that he did.
What I "offered" is incontrovertible.
It would be others to decide whether he actor had reasonably put his life at risk in the first place. In the scenario shown, the presence of an innocent third party in the truck should provide that justification--as long as the evidence gathered after the fact supports the actor's account.
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About that evidence.
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And even then, it's not quite as simple as people's Batman fantasies would have them believe.
Interesting.
A dash cam can be of great benefit in the event of an accident. I would suggest one for people who drive much, but we don't.
The park mode discussed in the linked video is presented as a device tor property protection--something to help identify perps after the fact. I wouldn't mind having one, but I question the value. In more and more areas, police no longer respond to reports of auto theft or vandalism.
I think the likelihood that one would capture anything useful about the actions of persons standing near the B-pillars of a vehicle are low. A body cam, on the other hand, could be very effective.
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A 360 view camera would be great on one of those.
Besides the benefit of having clear evidence. You only have to capture one incident to make it worth while to your pocket book unless you have a really low deductible. Plus my insurance gives you a cut in premium if you have one.
The wife just got a new car and this thing shows the car from above when your backing up. Still not sure how that works but it's got cameras all over it.
Crossdraw is not the easiest draw seated behind the wheel, especially with a seatbelt on. Ankle carry on the inside of the weak side ankle is the easiest draw while seated behind the wheel.
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Could be belly size is a factor in that assessment....
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the situation and the circumstances will determine what actions are available and necessary, no 2 car jackings are going to be the same, if it was me I would rather use the bumper on my truck if possible, but would be prepared to use whatever pistol I had as well.
Nope. The factor is the ability to access your weapon with either hand without removing your seatbelt. I carried my BUG on the inside of my left ankle for 20 years in my squad car and trained on drawing while seated behind the wheel. Cross draw with the seatbelt on is not as fast or easy as reaching between your legs to access an ankle holster regardless if you have a 28 inch waist or a 44 inch waist.
From the Mississippi Code, accessed here: https://law.justia.com/codes/mississippi/2019/title-97/chapter-3/section-97-3-15/
Title 97 - Crimes
Chapter 3 - Crimes Against the Person
§ 97-3-15. Homicide; justifiable homicide; use of defensive force; duty to retreat
(1) The killing of a human being by the act, procurement or omission of another shall be justifiable in the following cases:
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- (e) When committed by any person in resisting any attempt unlawfully to kill such person or to commit any felony upon him, or upon or in any dwelling, in any occupied vehicle, in any place of business, in any place of employment or in the immediate premises thereof in which such person shall be;
- (f) When committed in the lawful defense of one’s own person or any other human being, where there shall be reasonable ground to apprehend a design to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury, and there shall be imminent danger of such design being accomplished...
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I drive a good amount. I’m on the outskirts of a Major city often. Some nice parts and not so nice parts.
I met a man who had a serious scar on his head- had to ask… He stated ,While in a nice community, he was dragged out of his vehicle, hit with a crowbar as his woman had a attacker from other side of vehicle. The Victim drew his Glock 30 and “Resolved” one of them as the other ran off. He had saved his life and his woman.
I ordered a specific holster from Andrews Leather- “The Carjacker” for my 686 w/4” barrel. 7 rounds of 357 that is on tap -easily accessible… That’s
My plan
I met a man who had a serious scar on his head- had to ask… He stated ,While in a nice community, he was dragged out of his vehicle, hit with a crowbar as his woman had a attacker from other side of vehicle. The Victim drew his Glock 30 and “Resolved” one of them as the other ran off. He had saved his life and his woman.
I ordered a specific holster from Andrews Leather- “The Carjacker” for my 686 w/4” barrel. 7 rounds of 357 that is on tap -easily accessible… That’s
How would that work without undoing the harness?
I'm sure that's true. I do not want either my firearm or my gun arm to be close to an uninvited occupant of the passenger seat.
Putting on and taking off the ankle holster for short trips would not appeal to me. I am carrying a pistol in a left hand pocket holster in a cargo pocket, all the time. In jacket weather, I'll find another way.
Kleanbore- look up Andrews Leather “Carjacker” video on YouTube.
The Holster is installed on Seatbelt or on your pants belt. Easy on,Easy off… if that’s what you want. When your in the vehicle it’s quick fast access to your firearm. Don’t think that there is anything quicker to get said firearm into action.
The Holster is installed on Seatbelt or on your pants belt. Easy on,Easy off… if that’s what you want. When your in the vehicle it’s quick fast access to your firearm. Don’t think that there is anything quicker to get said firearm into action.
Incidents that threaten citizens often take twists that could cause the use or threat of deadly force to be justified, but then the conditions for justification can cease to exist, and then they may materialize again, and then....
One must distinguish among "has threatened", "did threaten", "was threatening", and "may threaten". Substitute the verb "attempt" or "enter" for "threaten".
The "justification light" can flicker on and off rapidly during the event. That can greatly complicate things, and without continuous video, the legal defense of self defense can be a very iffy proposition.
Here's a discussion from a year and a half ago. The source should be available to those with a Platinum membership in the Law of Self Defense Blog.
It's worth it.
[URL="https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/defending-the-occupants-of-your-vehicle.864680/"]Defending (the Occupants of) your Vehicle[/URL]
One must distinguish among "has threatened", "did threaten", "was threatening", and "may threaten". Substitute the verb "attempt" or "enter" for "threaten".
The "justification light" can flicker on and off rapidly during the event. That can greatly complicate things, and without continuous video, the legal defense of self defense can be a very iffy proposition.
Here's a discussion from a year and a half ago. The source should be available to those with a Platinum membership in the Law of Self Defense Blog.
It's worth it.
[URL="https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/defending-the-occupants-of-your-vehicle.864680/"]Defending (the Occupants of) your Vehicle[/URL]
I’m my State the Castle law prevails. Just as if someone is at my front door, attempting to enter my home and do bodily harm to me or my family. I am justified to prevent that in means of defense with a firearm.
Not much Gray area there, if threat is viable and provable in court. One) “Attackers finger prints on Vehicle-Top defense” Two) “Weapon and or Witness to said attack”-#2 Top defense.
No one should have hands on my vehicle- No reason to defend myself in vehicle- unless life threatening circumstance…………..Very simple.
Not much Gray area there, if threat is viable and provable in court. One) “Attackers finger prints on Vehicle-Top defense” Two) “Weapon and or Witness to said attack”-#2 Top defense.
No one should have hands on my vehicle- No reason to defend myself in vehicle- unless life threatening circumstance…………..Very simple.
Not in your automobile.
That wont begin to cut it. When were they made, and why?
A weapon won't cut it.
Witnesses often disagree.
In my state being in the automobile is treated under the law exactly as if I were in my home.
Additionally, there's this section in the justifiable homicide code:
(b) The court shall award reasonable attorney's fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant acted in accordance with subsection (1) (e) or (f) of this section. A defendant who has previously been adjudicated "not guilty" of any crime by reason of subsection (1) (e) or (f) of this section shall be immune from any civil action for damages arising from same conduct.
(b) The court shall award reasonable attorney's fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant acted in accordance with subsection (1) (e) or (f) of this section. A defendant who has previously been adjudicated "not guilty" of any crime by reason of subsection (1) (e) or (f) of this section shall be immune from any civil action for damages arising from same conduct.
Ok- As explained-
My State- Vehicle/House =Castle Law.
Dead assailant on Ground-Finger prints on Vehicle
They were made recently,obviously
Person in Vehicle stated “Assailant Tapped on Glass with a crowbar- Yelling open door- as Trying to open door”
Not sure, Yet pretty simple?!?!?
I say that…….. Because that IS what happened to the gentleman I spoke to with the scar on his head. I stated in post previously.
So…….. comprehensive understanding is Not that difficult.
Now what’s your opposition to this information I’m simply providing in this thread about a Carjacking that Happened, and I learned from it - now sharing with this thread?
My State- Vehicle/House =Castle Law.
Dead assailant on Ground-Finger prints on Vehicle
They were made recently,obviously
Person in Vehicle stated “Assailant Tapped on Glass with a crowbar- Yelling open door- as Trying to open door”
Not sure, Yet pretty simple?!?!?
I say that…….. Because that IS what happened to the gentleman I spoke to with the scar on his head. I stated in post previously.
So…….. comprehensive understanding is Not that difficult.
Now what’s your opposition to this information I’m simply providing in this thread about a Carjacking that Happened, and I learned from it - now sharing with this thread?
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Rest assured, if anybody is in a shooting, especially one involving a homicide, odds are it's NOT going to be "simple" unless there's 3D IMAX with surround sound showing everything is clearly in one's favor.
That may sound facetious, and in a way it is in order to illustrate a point. The plain fact of the matter is that RARELY are shootings, much less shootings involving a homicide, actually objectively documented with that kind of clarity.
Which means one is left with forensic evidence and (maybe) witnesses. And witnesses aren't always something you want to bet you life and well being on.
People need to quit thinking of these events as "simple". Reality is rarely ever as clear cut as a storyline on paper.
If there is a shooting/homicide, there will be an investigation. Even if the evidence is clearly in your favor, you may STILL go to court over criminal charges Even if the evidence is clearly in your favor and you DON'T end up in criminal court, you may STILL end up in civil court. Even if the evidence is clearly in your favor, you go to criminal court and are found not guilty, you may STILL end up in civil court. Even if you never go to court at all, your life may be very complicated afterwards. How it all works out will depend on the specific circumstances for YOUR incident, the jurisdictional laws, the media, who was involved, and more.
That may sound facetious, and in a way it is in order to illustrate a point. The plain fact of the matter is that RARELY are shootings, much less shootings involving a homicide, actually objectively documented with that kind of clarity.
Which means one is left with forensic evidence and (maybe) witnesses. And witnesses aren't always something you want to bet you life and well being on.
People need to quit thinking of these events as "simple". Reality is rarely ever as clear cut as a storyline on paper.
If there is a shooting/homicide, there will be an investigation. Even if the evidence is clearly in your favor, you may STILL go to court over criminal charges Even if the evidence is clearly in your favor and you DON'T end up in criminal court, you may STILL end up in civil court. Even if the evidence is clearly in your favor, you go to criminal court and are found not guilty, you may STILL end up in civil court. Even if you never go to court at all, your life may be very complicated afterwards. How it all works out will depend on the specific circumstances for YOUR incident, the jurisdictional laws, the media, who was involved, and more.
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