The wife can handle anything that has a JHP or a hollowpoint that was recommended in my post. Recoil for any of them will be lower or about the same for the wadcutters.
Why not use proven hollowpoint designs when they are there to be had and get better wounding profiles over wadcutters.
ALL factors have to be considered.
There is also no TYPICAL bad guy or how they will behave after a criminal is shot.
No,they may not be on hard core drugs, but they can be anything form bullet sponges to wimps. You'll bet your life or someone elses on what you think might happen? Figure on other factors folks or it will get you or can get you killed or crippled for life.
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=9004.0
In the links are the factors for criminals and the defenders.
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=9004.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=6046.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=3266.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=1603.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=797.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=9030.msg92921#msg92921
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=1926.msg13962#msg13962
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=20777.msg243509#msg243509
Oh,yes. There is this for info purposes as well:
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Okay lets go there.
There is a police officer named Teuller, who through much actual experimentation and research, found that is possible for a attacker with knife or blunt instrument to cover 21 feet in 1.5 seconds. This would be enough time to kill or cause grave bodily harm.
Tueller Drill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThe Tueller Drill is a self-defense training exercise to prepare against a short-range knife attack when armed only with a holstered handgun. ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill
The above link explains most of what was found out.
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Re: Self defence ammo for PT 1911
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Actually for ethical and moral reasons JHPs would be a good idea.
The same sedate ammo speed thing was brought up about the .38 Special. Both calibers have enough cases,even recent ones, where attackers were hit in the body and there was enough velocity and energy to go through other barriers after leaving the criminal's body and then went on to strike another human. Dead or gravely hurt doesn't cut it in the real world. Not if you value life. " Someone got hurt or killed.Hey.Stuff happens", is not acceptable to the norm out there.
Less likely to happen with a JHP though there may be circumstances where the hollowpoint may get clogged with cloth or debris. That's an exception and not the standard.
JHPs have been designed to deform or expand at speeds of approximately 680 to about 720 feet per second. Chuck Karwan, Dr. Topper,Sanow& Marshall, and Mas Ayoob, as well as many other accredited writers and teachers have documented this over the decades time and time again.
JHP expansion means a larger area of flesh disruption and organ function. This means there's less reason to have to shoot the perp many more times with something that doesn't expand. More humane for the receiver and for others since less shots are likely to be needed.
Flesh is elastic and snaps back together causing plenty of area to not bleed or be disrupted. JHPs disrupt more area, hence more trauma to help stop an attacker. And the idea is to stop the hostilities. Not kill. That of course may be a result though.
Take the favorite caliber and place it next to your chest. Kinda puny compared to the whole of the human body or that area in general. These need all the help they can get. JHPs offer this. Yes, I know. JHPs dont' always expand. Most of the time they do. Granted expansion is rarely like in the adverts or gun magazine pics.
Then there's the fact that handguns are not powerful at all. Rifles and shotguns do a much better job in those departments. So do crew served weapons and bigger.
Handguns are carried for convience. Weight,size,shape, and other factors make the handgun to be carried when the other more powerful weapons cannot.
History is full of even the failures of the .45 Colt or other calibers. Not going to start a caliber war here. There's all kinds of anecdotal stories and evidence that go on forever for all the calibers.
Suffice to say the history abounds with fanatical enemies who were not and will not be impressed by caliber or hitting power of handguns. Mahdists, Jihadists,Fuzzie Wuzzies,
Zulus, Japanese WWII troops, Chinese troops(Korean War), and a host of other recorded peoples were not impressed with handgun or rifle fire of any kind. They were able to stay up and running in way to many occurences,taking many rounds of rifle/pistol fire/shotgun fire, and going on to kill or gravely hurt many others before expiring. While these are fanatical attackers the same can and does happen, all to frequently with criminals for a plethora of reasons.
Adrenaline dump, hard core drugs, alcohol, or a "man on a mission" mindset are all reasons an attacker can be hard or near impossible to stop. There might even be a combination of all the above can enter into the equation on a case by case basis.
Even our troops are telling of terrorists who take many .223 rounds and keep coming.
We can not know the mindset or all the varibles in each case. Attacker may take a scratch, go into shock and even die. Or go on to do major damage. Matix and Plaxco of the Miami Massacre infamy come to mind.
So it behooves one to have the proper ammo to humanely stop an attack that does a good job of limiting possible over penetration for ethical and moral purposes.
People who do not believe in the sanctity of life and protect it should not be carrying guns.
There are properly designed JHPs that give enough penetration of a body under just about all circumstances. That's what they were designed in part to do. Newer JHPs of the last few decades stay together in one piece and penetrate further and wound more area than earlier generations of JHP. Proper ammo for the circumstances at hand on a case by case basis.
Common sense and our consciences tell us to educate ourselves on what each type,brand,or kind of ammo we will use and what it will really do. Then make an informed decision. Our lives and those of others depend on it.
For those who go with ball ammo, this is not a condemnation of you. Just be aware of possible consequences of what the results can or will be. You cannot know how,when,where, under what circumstances, and the results of an actual attack and what it's aftermath will be. We think we might know, but cannot say with any certainty what. We cannot see or predict the future.
Plan, we can do for most circumstances. The rest.........well....?
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As for .380 ACP there is this.
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=6304.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=39339.0
There is also this.
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=7545.msg72881#msg72881
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=7345.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=1926.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=4920.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=1603.0
There are a lot of factors to take into consideration.
This has been all documented by Mas Ayoob, Chuck Karwan, Marshall & Sanow, and many others who are credentialed for this kind of thing. That includes Medical Examiners, pathologists, and many other credentialed people.
Other sources including Gun Digest Books,5th and 6th Combat Hangunnery are also in the links.
So yes, ballistics do matter. Especially internal ballistics.