New DI design I have been thinking about

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No, but it can compound the issue. Also, very little can be done about that besides loosening the tolerances the rifle, heresy in the eyes of many AR people. So, i'm focusing on the improvement of the gas system to better aid in the rifle functioning under heavily fouled conditions
 
Amusing, but unless your face is directly over the bolt carrier I can't see this happening, since the bolt carrier is a little distant from the comb of the stock, where your cheek lays.

Your eye is directly in line with the gas tube, its business end is right in front of your face.

Even so, have you actually handled an AG42?
Oh yes.I have had a couple. Ive got a couple Hakims and a Rasheed now.

The pictures I linked above I made just for you, just for this thread.

And here is me, with a Hakim, bolt open. Take note of where the gas tube protrudes.
Ya better wear glasses if you have one of these. I find grit/unburnt powder all over my head and face every time I shoot.
 

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Well the Ljungman rifles and the MAS 49 both had a clearer track record than the AR for reliability. Understandably, they were produced in smaller numbers/not used nearly as much, but besides that, they seemed to serve both nations fairly well. The MAS 49, especially, could be cleaned with gasoline and motor oil and function just fine, and the french had plenty of desert colonies, Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco, Mali, etc. All after the 1949 adoption of the MAS 49. Yet, we never hear any trouble with them under sandy conditions, yet we all know some parts of Africa have had a history for bloody tribal violence, and French colonies I'm sure were no exception. Thus two logical explanations can be assumed:

There was never enough of the fielded in those nations for a signifcant number of reports to be filed

Or

They functioned reliably under those conditions and therefore I feel sufficiently safe in saying that the design used was/is more reliable
 
@Sam

You know your stuff obviously. As said I handled and never actually got to shoot it.

Do notice, however I said a gas deflector would be installed. Basically a curved piece of metal that directs the gas to the right, away from the rifle.

Also, on the ag42 isn't the opposite true? http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/_thumbs/Images/rifle/9/1288259801.jpg

I don't even see the design now I look at it as ever really accomplishing as much as I'd like. Oh well, I better stop trying to make the horse drink, the AR platform is currently not thirsty.
 
You might also have a look at the 1941 Johnson semiautomatic rifle. It uses a lockup system similar to the AR system with no gas nor piston impingement.
 
Now I'm looking at a new type of delayed blowback, one that may be a lot cheaper than HKs system...


@Sam

Nevermind, looked up elsewhere and saw the diagrams I was looking at did not show the protrusion from the tube.
 
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DramCast - The fatal flaw in your logic is that BOTH piston and DI guns will reach similar temperatures during sustained fire.

The only thing between the bolt and the gas in a short-stroke IS that piston, which is being hit will all of those hot vapors. Heat then transfers.

In theory a piston may DELAY the heating of some parts, but in my experience with guns like the SKS and FAL, they will still get plenty hot after a bout of sustained fire. The difference will only be measured in a magazine or two of ammo.
 
Once I draw up diagram I will post about it. The Blish Lock, it got me nowhere so I am going with a multi-stage system
 
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The Blish Lock, it got me nowhere so I am going with a multi-stage system
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Oh goodie. Remember an old Henry Ford axium; "The more there is to a machine, the more there is to go wrong with it."
 
Sounds to me that the problem would be addressed better with "sand cuts" similar to south african(I think) FALs.

Didn't soldiers used to throw awat the blish lock? Seems I remember reading that the thompson worked as well without it.
 
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No, but it can compound the issue. Also, very little can be done about that besides loosening the tolerances the rifle, heresy in the eyes of many AR people. So, i'm focusing on the improvement of the gas system to better aid in the rifle functioning under heavily fouled conditions

I've shot AR-pattern guns in conditions more adverse than most owners will experience, including blowing sand and wind.

I've shot them to the point where the hand guards became uncomfortably hot.

I've gone thousands of rounds between cleanings.

Guess what?

Under those circumstances, at no point did the rifles jam because of any feature inherent to the design.

Additionally, my AR-pattern guns are capable of engaging targets out 500 yards under field conditions, and I've even pushed that as far out as 600 yards when shooting from a rest.


The changes you're proposing aren't heresy so much as a demonstration of your lack of experience with the design. Had you actual first hand experience with running and maintaining these rifles, you'd realize that you've got a fairly hard row to hoe if you intend to actually improve on the design.
 
No, but it can compound the issue. Also, very little can be done about that besides loosening the tolerances the rifle, heresy in the eyes of many AR people.

You need to get your terminology correct if you want people to take you seriously.

In this context that word does not mean what you think it means.

Tolerance is the acceptable level of dimensional variation of a part.

The phrase you are looking for is "designed in clearances as they apply to Fit."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineering_fit
 
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Didn't soldiers used to throw awat the blish lock? Seems I remember reading that the thompson worked as well without it.

No, the Thompson will not work without it. The Thompson bolt contains three basic parts, the bolt, the actuator (the "knob" that is used to cock the weapon) and the Blish device. If you remove the Blish and try to cock it the actuator moves back without the main bolt, but the sear won't do anything as it locks up against the bolt, which remains forward.
 
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Sam, about a year ago I read an article, I believe in a magazine called Military Antiques, which dealt with the issue of the Blish device. It was controversial from the start. A big question was what, if anything it did.
It was John Thompson's contention that it worked by a phenomenon callled differential of friction. The device, being made of a different metal than the rest, delayed the recoil through friction.
The authors of the article obtained a 1928 Thompson and an extra Blish Lock. They first established the actual firing rate of the Thompson they were using, then milled off the ears of the extra Blish (the trapezoidal projections present in the above photograph is what I am refering too, for those who don't know how Thompson's work). When they assembled this altered lock into the weapon, they determined that the rate of fire had increased by about 200 RPM.
The device actually does work. What I forget is how they established HOW it works. It doesn't work the way Mr. Thompson claimed; it works through a principle of leverage, since the Blishlock slides up and down inside the bolt at a different angle than the cuts inside the receiver are angled at.
The conclusion however is really unchanged; the Blish was eliminated in the M1 and M1A1 versions and simpler methods were employed to keep the rate of fire down to what the army desired, or closely enough to satisfy the army atleast. Despite the fact it actually did work albeit differently than originally believed, it was too complex and expensive for wartime production.
Despite that fact, I stubbornly insist I like the 1928 Thompsons better than the later versions. Just got rocks in my head 'bout it, I guess.;)
 
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