Full-Auto weapons on YouTube

Several possibilities:

1) Post '86 dealer samples. We have several SOT2 members here who could build a brand new one this afternoon perfectly legally, and then go make YouTube videos with it if they're bored enough to do so. They just can't sell it to you.

2) NFA registered Norrell trigger packs.

3) A little work with a file and a dangerous and illegal firearm. YouTube doesn't have a lower threshold of "smarts" before you can post.

"3) A little work with a file and a dangerous and illegal firearm. YouTube doesn't have a lower threshold of "smarts" before you can post."

Ain't THAT the truth?!?

Just committed a federal felony punishable by 10yrs prison and a $100,000 fine? Watcha gonna do? Make a YouTube video of it!!!

Anyone who thinks YouTube has a conditional IQ prerequisite, hasn't watched very much. But it's not just YouTube posters. I have my very own shooting buddies who are surprisingly casual about NFA regs. IMHO, there's simply no jail-time (not even overnight) that isn't worth avoiding...for $200. Take a cab when you drink. Wear your seatbelt when you don't. Don't cheat the IRS. And don't ASK FOR a visit by shiny badges marked "U.S. Treasury Department". I've heard*, the closer those badges get, they grow to appear as big as trashcan lids! (*from a friend who bought an unregistered suppressor from Europe & had it Fed-Ex'ed to his house).

One other thing is that Youtube is not a USA exclusive site. Our full auto regulations don't affect citizens in other countries who are posting on YT.

from a friend who bought an unregistered suppressor from Europe & had it Fed-Ex'ed to his house

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So, he didn't just break one law, but many laws. Wow. I assume he's in jail now.

There are several small manufacturing companies out there who use youtube as a marketing tool. There are also gun ranges that rent full auto guns. There are also a few thousand legal trigger packs out there. They cost about $9000.

Wow. I assume he's in jail now.

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Nope, but it was a very expensive legal undertaking to prevent it. He's now a convicted felon (no guns or voting, ever again) on probation. All for a (freakin') $200 stamp.

The NFA tax stamps are cool, and can be had by those with a clean record and a little patience in most jurisdictions.

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Nope, but it was a very expensive legal undertaking to prevent it. He's now a convicted felon (no guns or voting, ever again) on probation. All for a (freakin') $200 stamp.

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I really hope anyone considering breaking the law considers your friend's experience. $200 is cheap...

Just committed a federal felony punishable by 10yrs prison and a $100,000 fine? Watcha gonna do? Make a YouTube video of it!!!

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Yep!

I thought that most of the FA's on YouTube were rented out of ranges, or borrowed from friends.

Sam1911 said:

Several possibilities:

1) Post '86 dealer samples. We have several SOT2 members here who could build a brand new one this afternoon perfectly legally, and then go make YouTube videos with it if they're bored enough to do so. They just can't sell it to you.

2) NFA registered Norrell trigger packs.

3) A little work with a file and a dangerous and illegal firearm. YouTube doesn't have a lower threshold of "smarts" before you can post.

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Not to dodge the point you're making (that illegal machine guns are ... illegal) but you can't assume that. Just because a machine gun is illegal doesn't make it any more (or less) dangerous than any other firearm.

I know a couple SOT2's that regularly make youtube videos for the entertainment and information of those that don't or can't have those firearms.

Not to dodge the point you're making (that illegal machine guns are ... illegal) but you can't assume that. Just because a machine gun is illegal doesn't make it any more (or less) dangerous than any other firearm.

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Err....ok. I suppose not strictly speaking.

Someone COULD do a good job, create and install proper fire-control parts (auto sear, hammer delay device, etc.) and make a perfectly safe illegal machine gun.

However, the majority of illegal conversions that get identified and reported seem to be more of the "file down the disconnector" type that are either simply slam-firing (in guns where that is inappropriate), or are even purely runaway machines.

There is not a direct connection, but a strong association between the two!

Thats what I read in it too.

Not that machine guns are dangerous, but that when improperly converted, some rifles can become both full automatic, and dangerous to boot, with essentially damaged fire control parts, etc.

(*from a friend who bought an unregistered suppressor from Europe & had it Fed-Ex'ed to his house)

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You would be amazed how many of those there are in the United States. They can get you for illegally importing a NFA item and illegal possession of a NFA item, and when you let your buddy borrow it for the weekend (that's how they usually get caught) illegal transfer of a NFA item. The IRS may or may not come after you for Tax evasion, depends on how bad they want you.

I guarantee the lawyer is going to charge more than 200 dollars to keep you out of jail. for a 120 dollar European suppressor that will not be built as well or sound as good as a American made one, well unless you know what ones to get, but they are not the low end ones that get sent over for 120 bucks with shipping.

I guarantee the lawyer is going to charge more than 200 dollars...

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Baaahahahaha(snort/chortle)hahahahaha, are you kidding? That's a single hour's rate for any lawyer worth his salt. Try closer to $10-20K as a warm-up.

^ I was sure that a good lawyer was $300/hr.

$500 an hour for a top attorney

I've wondered that if you chambered something like a .223 in an AR 15 multiple times until one more chambering would set the round off, if you broke it down into a science till you had 30 rounds like this, what would that be seen as if you slam fired the entire mag by just releasing the bolt?

Legally, that would probably be considered a malfunctioning gun. But it's a moot point, because the idea is totally impractical. You'd destroy the gun trying to do it.

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I've wondered that if you chambered something like a .223 in an AR 15 multiple times until one more chambering would set the round off, if you broke it down into a science till you had 30 rounds like this, what would that be seen as if you slam fired the entire mag by just releasing the bolt?

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Have you ever chambered a round so many times that it went off at the final chambering?

Have you ever chambered a round so many times that it went off at the final chambering?

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No, but I know it can happen with guns like the AR 15 and Makarov with their free floating firing pin.

You'd destroy the gun trying to do it.

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How?

How?

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One of the primary functions of a full-auto fire-control system is not to make the hammer fall repeatedly, but to stop it from falling too soon, before the bolt locks up. Some weapons, blowback pistol-caliber submachine guns mostly, are designed to operate by what is in essence slam-firing. In fact, igniting just before the chamber is fully closed is part of the design.

But with a locked-breech gun firing high-pressure rifle ammo, if the rounds are allowed to fire "at will" because of a stuck firing pin or some other mechanical malfunction, the gun will almost certainly fire out of battery -- which will blow it up. It is even possible that at the high, runaway speeds attained by a gun firing out of control like that, it could possibly fire out of battery several times before catastrophically failing, which would quite possibly hurt the shooter badly as well.