US Army signs contract with Remington (M4s)

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No, I think it means M4 quality is going down the tubes.

Our troops will be carrying rebranded DPMS rifles instead of Colts now.

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Yeah, I was wondering when I saw the thread heading. Remington doesn't actually make ARs. They just sell them.
 
No, I think it means M4 quality is going down the tubes.

This troubles me also. Bushmaster quality took a hit after acquisition by Remington (Cerberus). QC problems are just an an annoyance to most of us who are hobbyists. It can mean death in the field. Back in the day my M16s were Colts and that didn't mean anything to me at the time. It may have explained why I never had a malfunction of any kind though.
 
I read that in a different press release (and if I remember correctly) the specs were forwarded and expected to be complied with as far as the manufacturing/parts etc of the remys; who knows maybe their quality will increase?
 
Looks like their R4 carbines have been around and the contract means the manufacturing machine will start cranking in high gear.

http://remingtonmilitary.com/Firearms/Carbines/R4.aspx

Looking at the manufacturing of the Stoner's platform, it is pretty much cookie-cutter these days. The differences are in the materials they choose to use and maintenance of high QC. For a military contract, they must achieve all the said requirements and I believe their factories are inspected.

Remington has been in quite a few of DoD contracts since WW2. Their contract to produce the M24 seemed pretty well executed.
 
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What went wrong with FN quality that made the US military switch to Remington ? Well its up to Remington to redeem their reputation as a favorite in US firearms manufacturing.
 
I'm guessing they will get their stuff together. I doubt they just showed up with contract in hand asking Remington to sign it. This has probably been in the works for a while and Remington must have done something right along the way. Maybe I'm just optimistic but I know when parts are built per print they work per design. There is no voodoo magic to building a good M4. It's just matter of wanting to.
 
Remington will have to follow the TDP, so there's no reason to worry about soldiers getting dinked by this move. If Remington is smart, they'll market a civilian version at about $900 msrp.
 
As far as quality on products delivered to the US military, I have a little experience with what a vendor goes through to both get a contract and then what the vendor goes through during the entire delivery from start to finish.
I was QA manager in an ISO 9001 company that supplied critical parts to the USN for their Aegis shipboard system. We had to be ready at any time for an auditor to come to our factory to review our manufacturing procedures, test procedures and adherence to our stated quality system. Every piece we produced was tested in front of a govt. auditor that not only witnessed testing but reviewed all the documentation from raw material certification through all stages of manufacture and testing.
These auditors were tough, precise and demanded that we meet or exceed our contracted specifications. The ones I dealt with would not even go to lunch with anyone from our company. I have the highest regard for the integrity of the auditors I dealt with.
It might have helped that our companys owner / founder was a WW II Navy vet. My dad was a WW II submarine service vet and I a Vietnam vet.
We met all expectations and more. When it comes to supplying our military, I bellieve that most companies are just like the one I worked with. They deliver on time, on spec and do so proudly to support our servicemen. Remington, a proud old American company will be no different.

Roger
 
Fear not I'm sure DPMS will continue to use rejected and inferior parts in their AR's, they will just have an in house source now:rolleyes:
 
Its without a doubt Remington management is aching to get this gOvt contract. They know full well once their name is linked to a large US deal then they will be able to redeem themselves after all the bad rap they are getting. SO again, lets hope for Remington's comeback in here . If they fail , then the more rap they get especially our troops will be using their products.

SO far the Remington 700 i have in .2506 made in 1994 has been topnotch. Dime sized groups with handloads on that rifle is a big smile on my face.
 
Since the Remington's will be made in "New York state"......one has to wonder if there wasn't some political lobbying factored in to bring the jobs to someones district.
 
Interesting thread.

My son was issues an FN M16 at his previous post. Now he has one of the new M249 shortie/chopped machine gun as his issue weapon.

I would suggest that Colt is not the only manufactuer that can make a functional weapon. The LAST thing Remington needs is another ding to their name. Look at the hit pieces on the R700 M24 and the latest on the 870 recently.
 
Bushmaster quality took a hit after acquisition by Remington (Cerberus)
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Bushmaster quality was never very good to begin with.

Since the Remington's will be made in "New York state"......one has to wonder if there wasn't some political lobbying factored in to bring the jobs to someones district.
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Maybe, but I suspect it has more to do with the fact that Remington has been in Ilion for almost two centuries. The counpany was founded there in 1816.
 
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Bushmaster quality was never very good to begin with.
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I hear this a lot but I don't see anything that makes it bad quality. My Father has a Bushmaster A2 model and I don't see anything wrong with it.
 
I don't doubt the M4s that make it to the military will be of good quality. The government paid internal inspector will make sure of that. However I don't see this leading to an improvement in any AR from Cerberus. I wish this would not be the case but neither DPMS or Bushmaster has ever showed any desire to put out a quality rifle.

I do see a bunch of armchair commandos now claiming that their bushmaster/dpms/whatever is just like a Colt.

I hear this a lot but I don't see anything that makes it bad quality. My Father has a Bushmaster A2 model and I don't see anything wrong with it.
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Sample size of 1 doesn't show anything. There are people who have dealt with dozens and even hundreds of them and can tell you the level of problems that is seen with them. Tight chambers, bad parts, etc.
 
I do see a bunch of armchair commandos now claiming that their bushmaster/dpms/whatever is just like a Colt.
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ive never claimed that.

mine are considerably better than my colts were.

edit: i should add that to hear you say that is lols!!
 
I really hope they pull it off. I believe that we should be providing our military with made in the usa riflew and pistols. Keep the money and jobs here. Why spend billions on fnh/ and berreta contracts when we have plenty of arms manufactures here in the states. Put us to work and keep our money here. I really hope that remington isnt going to use this as a push for there 300 blackout though... This could make or brake remmy...
 
U.S. Should use a U.S. manufacturer for their weapons. Besides FN has a huge share of the military arms market anyways. Why fund an arms maker who makes weapons for the other side as well? Just like FN and the falkland and Standard oil in WW2?
 
I like THR very much but I resent the misplaced patriotism which showes every now and then, especially when showing lack of knowledge.

Al weapons produced by FN for the US military (M16, M249, M240 and M2) are produced in the FN Manufacturing LLC plant in Columbia, South Carolina.(not sure about scar, I think that is made in Belgium)

Further, FN takes care of the Browning and Winchester products and delivers far higher quality then the American owners of Remington and Marlin crank out these days. It were American owners who closed down the Marlin plant, firing numerous people and ruining the Marlin name (i'm a fan of Marlin) and it is the former American government (republicans) who made it virtually impossible to export armes to Europe, in the name of war on terror.

About deliverin to other countries: FN does not sell M16 to anyone other then the Us, it's not even in their catalogues. Don't forget the Us deliverde weapons to Sadam and the Mudjahedin in Afganistan and even sold Tomcats to Iran.

Forever in your debt for your service in ww2.

Peter
 
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