76shuvlinoff
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I keep the loaded AR next to the loaded 870 next to the loaded .357 lever carbine. They are a few steps from the sidearms.
choices choices.
choices choices.
With shotgun you can participate in sports that have healthy social component to them like skeet or trap which can really be fun and productive activity unlike trying to make smallest whole clusters with an AR15.Jojo, I've pondered some of those same thoughts myself. IF, I were to decide on an AR-15, I could raise the budget some. Something like a Colt 6920 or a nicer Smith & Wesson of equivalence. I however haven't given too much though to them, and the Sport's lower price helps make the case for an AR-15 a little more. But then you fall prey to buying extra p-mags, a good optic, sling and so on... I would not treat this gun like an erector set, but generally a fighting rifle requires a few more add-ons, verses what is typically seen on a shotgun.
I've also given thought to the .22lr upper, or even the S&W M&P15-22 rifle for practice. I CAN use a .22lr rifle at my local range, but like you said, recoil management is important. And we come back to the training & practice problem again...
Fortunately, if I were to go for a shotgun, I probably would choose the M2 American, or the Franchi Affinity. I know the comfortech stock is supposed to help, but I don't know if it will help $500 much... I can pickup the M2 American or the Affinity for roughly $750 new, so that closes the price gap considerably between shotgun and AR-15. Either will take magazine extensions, and both hover near the 6lb mark. That pretty light and handy - maybe lighter than even a modest dressed AR perhaps?
Also, my wife's gun is a 20ga. Me stepping down to a 20ga would allow us to share more ammo, instead of keeping stock of 12 ga and 20ga. And of course, I wouldn't have to beat up my Beretta either.
Just so I'm being forthright, I would like to have an AR-15 rifle too. But given the practice problem, I could buy A LOT of shotgun ammo for the cost of an AR-15, and then go use it up (practice) at several nearby ranges. If money weren't a problem, then sure I'd buy one too, and just make it a range toy. But for right now at least, thats just not possible.
With shotgun you can participate in sports that have healthy social component to them like skeet or trap which can really be fun and productive activity unlike trying to make smallest whole clusters with an AR15.
So being that you only own one firearm, that being a pump 12ga, what are you basing your opinion of the AR on? And if that is you favorite HD load I feel sorry for the people that live anywhere near you. Or at very least I hope your walls are concrete... If you just don't like ARs that is fine, to each their own. There are many popular firearms that I do not care for, but to say that one or the other is worthless based on an emotional reaction or feeling is just silly.Except for making noise at range and scaring people the .223 AR15 is basically worthless weapon.
I own one long gun and it's 6.8lb 3" 12ga pump shotgun (with thick Limbsaver pad). It can be used for HD, bird hunting, wildfowling, turkey hunting and larger game hunting with buckshot or slugs. My favorite HD load is 1&1/4 oz slug at Vo of 1020fps.
You sir, could not be more wrong if you tried and I find your statement and insinuation to be more than a little insulting to the entire field of recreational and competitive AR shooters. I think an apology is in order.With shotgun you can participate in sports that have healthy social component to them like skeet or trap which can really be fun and productive activity unlike trying to make smallest whole clusters with an AR15.
"...Except for making noise at range and scaring people the .223 AR15 is basically worthless weapon..."
That being said, anyone see anything wrong with a 20ga for a defensive/all rounder' shotgun?
Can anyone speak from experience here?
Yes to a civilian those are basically worthless
If you can only practice with the shotgun, get the shotgun. The AR has certain advantages, and it is quite effective, but a blast of 12g 00 Buck from 10ft.....the AR can't even compete with the kind of damage that will dish out. Just be aware that it will also penetrate like a pistol.
Incorrect.