Kansas moves toward eliminating conceal carry licensening

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Kansas Senate Bill 45 which will eliminate the need for a permit for conceal carry is expected to easily pass Senate approval by four votes. It will then move to the Kansas House of Representatives.

As expected this measure is being opposed by the print media. The Wichita Eagle newspaper in a article Friday quoted a person that claimed to be a NRA Life member, firearms instructor and competitive shooter as opposing the bill as it will allow untrained citizens to carry firearms concealed without a permit along with the usual opt. eds predicting doom and gloom if it is passed.

“AN ACT concerning firearms; relating to the carrying of concealed
firearms; relating to the personal and family protection act; amending
K.S.A. 2014 Supp. 21-5914, 21-6301, 21-6302, 21-6308, 21-6309, 32-
1002, 75-7c01, 75-7c03, 75-7c04, 75-7c05, 75-7c10, 75-7c17, 75-7c20
and 75-7c21 and repealing the existing sections; also repealing K.S.A.
2014 Supp. 75-7c19.

Be it enacted by the Legislature of the State of Kansas:
Section 1. K.S.A. 2014 Supp. 21-5914 is hereby amended to read as
follows:

(5) possession of a concealed handgun by an individual who is
licensed by the attorney general to carry a concealed handgun under
K.S.A. 2014 Supp. 75-7c01 et seq., and amendments thereto not
prohibited from possessing a firearm under either federal or state law.”

Full read of the Bill here;

http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b201...45_00_0000.pdf
 
Wyoming passed a similar law a couple of years ago. If you meet the requirements to obtain a Concealed Carry permit (no felonies, no domestic violence, restraining orders, etc.) then you can carry concealed without the cost and paperwork of obtaining a permit.

Of course, there is no reciprocity. I intend to keep my permit active for that reason and because it eliminates the background check when I purchase a firearm in state.

Currently under consideration in the Wyoming legislature is a bill that would eliminate most of the "gun-free" zones specified in the current law. If the bill passes, and it appears it will, then concealed carry will be legal in schools, athletic events, bars, etc. Only courtrooms remain on the no carry list. I haven't look at the status of the bill in the last few days, so there may be amendments. Or the Governor may veto but no indication he will.

Of course the media and antis are dragging out the same tired old arguments about blood in the streets, etc. that was used against the original shall issue laws nationwide.
 
What! No one has written a post opposing this?

I am disappointed in my fellow Forum members. Surely some one here will speak up for the anti-gun people and oppose this.

If I remember right, (and I do) Constitutional carry in Kansas has been talked about before, and the usual suspects were quick to condemn the idea.

Personally, I am all for it, despite the fact that I agree that people who carry should get training in both the law and how to handle a gun.

Personally, I think the school system ought to be teaching a minimum of law and civics, but since they can't even effectively teach writing and arithmetic, I suppose this is unrealistic.

Of course the News Media is against it, they have been against every pro-gun rights law that has been passed, and I don't expect it to change.
 
Call Your State Representative

It would be a very good idea to call your Representative in the House and find out their position on this bill. I have not read what the odds are of it clearing the House.

I am not so much opposed to carry permits as I am of the high cost of it in Kansas. Altogether my permit was close to $300.00. However I willing to forfeit the cost of my permit in exchange for constitutional carry.
 
Well, of course some of the firearms instructors will oppose it. They love the business the state directs their way...

Good move, Kansas.
 
Indeed!

When my wife and I took the required class it was taught by one person in the basement of his house. Their were 25 people in attendance.

In fairness he charged $75.00 per person but he was in rural part of the county so folks had to drive farther (about 30 miles for us) and he provided pizza for lunch.

He had a assistant when we did the live fire qualification.

Do the match. 25 people at $75.00 each is $1,875. Figure he conducts a class twice a month in the winter and every weekend in the spring , summer and fall and well, let's put it this way, my wife suggested we do the same thing on our farm.
 
BSA1 said:
It would be a very good idea to call your Representative in the House and find out their position on this bill. I have not read what the odds are of it clearing the House.

I am not so much opposed to carry permits as I am of the high cost of it in Kansas. Altogether my permit was close to $300.00. However I willing to forfeit the cost of my permit in exchange for constitutional carry.
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Has there been any legislation or anyone in favor to lower the cost?


Also

Wyoming passed a similar law a couple of years ago. If you meet the requirements to obtain a Concealed Carry permit (no felonies, no domestic violence, restraining orders, etc.) then you can carry concealed without the cost and paperwork of obtaining a permit.
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For those keeping track of "Constitutional Carry" states: Montana allows conceal carry without a permit in areas away from towns and cities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_Carry#Montana

"In addition to Montana's concealed weapons permit system, state law allows for Constitutional Carry through an exemption to the ban on carrying concealed weapons outside the official boundaries of a city or town."
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MedWheeler said:
Well, of course some of the firearms instructors will oppose it. They love the business the state directs their way...
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As a firearms instructor from a completely different state who has no dog in the fight in Kansas.. Having seen waves and waves of completely unqualified, ignorant about firearms and flat out dangerous people who come to the CHL class expecting to walk out the other side licensed to carry a firearm in public.. I completely support at least a minimal skills demonstration required for carry in public.

And before someone chimes in about how it's my job as an instructor to blah blah blah.. Our states course is by law not a skills development course. It is a lecture on the law, ethics etc. etc. and a skills test on the range.

Of course, there's no reason why a handgun license should cost more than a drivers license...

Before I was an instructor, I strongly believed in constitutional carry.. now that I deal in large numbers with people looking to carry in public.. Aww hell no. Nothing gets me more tense on a range than a CHL class.
 
ClickClickD'oh said:
As a firearms instructor from a completely different state who has no dog in the fight in Kansas.. Having seen waves and waves of completely unqualified, ignorant about firearms and flat out dangerous people who come to the CHL class expecting to walk out the other side licensed to carry a firearm in public.. I completely support at least a minimal skills demonstration required for carry in public.

And before someone chimes in about how it's my job as an instructor to blah blah blah.. Our states course is by law not a skills development course. It is a lecture on the law, ethics etc. etc. and a skills test on the range.

Of course, there's no reason why a handgun license should cost more than a drivers license...

Before I was an instructor, I strongly believed in constitutional carry.. now that I deal in large numbers with people looking to carry in public.. Aww hell no. Nothing gets me more tense on a range than a CHL class.
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Being a retired KS CHL instructor, I used to be all for constitutional carry myself until I started running into the fringe types that want to carry a gun but have absolutely NO CLUE how to handle one.

I learned firearm safety pretty much on my father's knee and was allowed to take a .22 rifle out hunting rabbits on my own at age 12 and firmly believe that it's the parents' responsibility to instill firearms safety in their children. If they cannot or will not do this, then those children subsequently should not be allowed to carry or even handle any kind of firearm until they have learned the 4 LAWS (not rules) of gun safety!

Jim
 
im in favor of mandatory training for CHL. At my CHL course there were several people that loaded their bullets backwards in the magazine.

In your own home no, but when you have the ability to much more easily hurt others around you, I think training should be required to carry in public
 
Well, there you are We Are Not Amused, ask and ye shall receive.
Always going to be those who think we need saving from ourselves and that it's going to be by way of governments hand.
 
I taught the Kansas concealed carry course which, BTW, was written by a committee of lawyers, and there was very little basic firearm instruction required compared to all the legal "this and that" which was. Myself and my fellow instructor always asked if the students had a working knowledge of the gun that they had brought. For the most part they did and those who did not we would recommend at least a basic pistol course.
Now , let's face it, people who pass a driving test for their license do not always demonstrate good driving skills on the road eh...? ;)

Concealed Carry with the lessons was not an easy "sell" in Kansas. The state charges an assortment of fees and clears a buck or two out of it.
Constitutional Carry will likely not pass because the state won't collect any fees... :rolleyes:
 
Idaho...

An elected official in ID put in a new bill to permit concealed carry for citizens without legal issues without a license.
 
X-Rap said:
Well, there you are We Are Not Amused, ask and ye shall receive.
Always going to be those who think we need saving from ourselves and that it's going to be by way of governments hand.
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Saved from ourselves! :D Could not be said better, X-Rap. :cool: Alaska, Arizona,Vermont (for at least 112 years) and Wyoming (for WY residents), all of whom don't even require a permit of any kind, seem to be having no problems with these supposed hordes of lunatic, wannabe, dangerous, untrained gun toters. :what:

You just have to laugh. It's a good survival tool.;)
 
Red Wind said:
...all of whom don't even require a permit of any kind, seem to be having no problems with these supposed hordes of lunatic, wannabe, dangerous, untrained gun toters.
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That's why I love this forum so much, it's multiple personality disorder.

How many threads exist discussing the horrible, unbelievable and down right dangerous behavior we see at public ranges?

But, once you mention constitutional carry, suddenly those very same people that we were reading about are now figments of the instructors imaginations created to protect our vast profits.

Lol. Okay then.
 
ClickClickD'oh said:
But, once you mention constitutional carry, suddenly those very same people that we were reading about are now figments of the instructors imaginations created to protect our vast profits.

Lol. Okay then.
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As soon as Texas gets Constitutional Carry, your post will vanish, Mr Phelps! :D
 
Again, it amazes me how many on THR have no respect for the Constitution. I guess "Shall not be infringed" means nothing to you? If you can legally own a gun, you should be able to carry it as well. Period. Anything else is disingenuous.
 
HexHead said:
Again, it amazes me how many on THR have no respect for the Constitution. I guess "Shall not be infringed" means nothing to you? If you can legally own a gun, you should be able to carry it as well. Period. Anything else is disingenuous.
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Thank you. This cannot be repeated enough.
 
HexHead said:
Again, it amazes me how many on THR have no respect for the Constitution.
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When in doubt and your arguments are on shaky ground, Ad Hominem and let er rip

You have ferreted us out sir. We (the royal "We") indeed have a complete and total lack of respect for the Constitution. Why, I thumb my nose at it daily. Foo on it I say!

It's a complete and total lack of respect for the Constitution that just happens to be shared by every Supreme Court justice since the nations founding... Unless I am mistaken and there has been a ruling at some point in time indicating the 2A was meant to promise a complete and total lack of any regulation, ever, on the carry of arms.

Heathens, the lot of us.

HexHead said:
If you can legally own a gun, you should be able to carry it as well.
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WOAH WOAH WOAH there!!

What's this?

Did you just have no respect for the Constitution as well? Could it be you are actually a kindred soul?

2A clearly says "keep and bear arms". But.. You have just uttered a qualification for keeping arms. The very notion of the thing is astounding. And you raise your ire against qualifications for bearing arms? Shocking. Good sir, I detect a flaw in your premise.

So, do you respect the 2A in all it's glory and renounce your admission of acceptance that there could be such a thing as a limitation on the right to keep arms or have you joined our dirty ranks and don't respect it the 2A by allowing that there are indeed limitations on it?

Clearly, you can't have this one both ways.
 
Thank you Shanghi McCoy for pointing out what the content of the Kansas Conceal Carry Class is.

KSCCHTrainer knows that the C.C. Class does not teach how to use a handgun. The live fire session at the end of the is for the student to demostrate they can hit the target 17 out of 24 shots.

Not knowing the subject matter will never stop those who support Government passing laws to "protect" ourselves and those who oppose the poor, the elderly and single mothers being able to legally carry a handgun for protection when in public.
 
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