Honest q: why is the Mag Research 45-70 not taken seriously around here?

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I am surprised CaigC hasnt chimed in.
Craig expressed his thoughts on the 45-70 BFR in the aforementioned thread, and more or less was in agreement with those of us that feel the gun in question makes no sense at all.

That thread was closed though for various reasons. So I understand why the OP wished for clarification on this topic. Hopefully that mission was accomplished.
 
All flash, no substance. Barrel is too short to take advantage of case capacity.
 
As big as a 45-70 handgun is you may as well carry a rifle. If it is appealing to you then go for it.

45-70 revolver at the 2009 NRA convention.

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As big as a 45-70 handgun is you may as well carry a rifle. If it is appealing to you then go for it.

45-70 revolver at the 2009 NRA convention.

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Great picture Steve! That really lets you know how it is closer to being a crew served weapon than a handgun.:D
 
The revolver in the photo is a Century .45/70 and they have considerably more girth than a BFR in the same caliber. While the .45/70 is a large cartridge for a revolver to contain, necessitating a big platform, I have never shot a BFR in .45/70 that didn't shoot well and even when loaded warmly, the recoil is pretty mild. They're good revolvers if you can get past the huge by large dimensions.
 
So I'm a big guy, don't expect too much recoil abuse; so if loaded with pistol powder the 45-70 might be a go'er?
 
One of the few things the internet has successfully burned into my brain is that everything is a go'er to somebody. For some reason. Despite all logic. And reason. And what we normally consider to be basic humanity.

Somewhere on this planet there is a 14 year old boy obsessing over 2001 Pontiac Aztecs. Imagining himself behind the wheel. Writing newsletters for a fan club only he will ever join. Filling sketch books with pictures of himself touching every part of a Pontiac Aztec. If you try to talk to him about his obsession, to council him against it, he will dismiss you as a hater and complain that people just don't understand. Those who know him have learned to avoid the subject.

The up side to the 45/70 revolver is that you'll still be able to look down on and laugh at that kid.

The down sides are easier to identify. It is heavy, offers worse performance, is harder to down-load cartridges for, uses more expensive reloading components, may end up creating an unsafe situation in that you were asking about handgun rifle pairs and now you are talking about loading an old low pressure rifle cartridge to high pressures with pistol powder, and so on.

And, before someone takes offence: no, there probably isn't really anyone obsessed with Aztecs, even a 14 year old boy. I was trying to come up with an especially bizarre, even outre, scenario to illustrate the point. Even if there is such a kid, I realize that everyone passes through 14 and usually cannot be held legally accountable for their actions at that age. I find it is best to have a sense of humor about such things.
 
so if loaded with pistol powder the 45-70 might be a go'er?
Loaded very carefully with the right kind of pistol powder. Most pistol powders would quickly hit dangerous over-charge levels with that big case still looking nearly empty!

Something like Trail Boss would work very well, though.
 
Rifle cartridges belong in rifles and pistol cartridges belong in pistols. With the notable exception of pistol cartridge carbines. The .45-70 in a revolver is a punchline in search of a joke.
 
One of the few things the internet has successfully burned into my brain is that everything is a go'er to somebody. For some reason. Despite all logic. And reason. And what we normally consider to be basic humanity.

Somewhere on this planet there is a 14 year old boy obsessing over 2001 Pontiac Aztecs. Imagining himself behind the wheel. Writing newsletters for a fan club only he will ever join. Filling sketch books with pictures of himself touching every part of a Pontiac Aztec. If you try to talk to him about his obsession, to council him against it, he will dismiss you as a hater and complain that people just don't understand. Those who know him have learned to avoid the subject.

The up side to the 45/70 revolver is that you'll still be able to look down on and laugh at that kid.

The down sides are easier to identify. It is heavy, offers worse performance, is harder to down-load cartridges for, uses more expensive reloading components, may end up creating an unsafe situation in that you were asking about handgun rifle pairs and now you are talking about loading an old low pressure rifle cartridge to high pressures with pistol powder, and so on.

And, before someone takes offence: no, there probably isn't really anyone obsessed with Aztecs, even a 14 year old boy. I was trying to come up with an especially bizarre, even outre, scenario to illustrate the point. Even if there is such a kid, I realize that everyone passes through 14 and usually cannot be held legally accountable for their actions at that age. I find it is best to have a sense of humor about such things.

I AM OFFENDED BY THAT! Just kidding. :). Well put Ed.
 
Okay, quick question. How many here have actually shot a .45/70 BFR? Just curious. I don't have one, but have shot a number of them and I have been impressed with the accuracy. Not my first choice in revolvers, but more than a novelty -- I think.:D
 
Have you shot one in .454?

I had one in .454 that I put probably 350 rounds thru.
It was very accurate.
 
Okay, quick question. How many here have actually shot a .45/70 BFR? Just curious. I don't have one, but have shot a number of them and I have been impressed with the accuracy. Not my first choice in revolvers, but more than a novelty -- I think.

No but I've got a 5 1/2" barrelled BFR in 480/475 that I've shot quite a bit it's pet load sends a 420gr keith SWC down range at 1250 fps and groups them nicely sub 3" @ 25yards offhand.
And I've seen the monstrosity that is the long cylinder BFR and I'll get on the bandwagon with the others that it's a novelty.
 
Okay, quick question. How many here have actually shot a .45/70 BFR? Just curious. I don't have one, but have shot a number of them and I have been impressed with the accuracy. Not my first choice in revolvers, but more than a novelty -- I think.:D

I have not shot one. I have shot rifle cartridges in a T/C. I think the .45-70 BFR can be given credit for having the utility of good construction, accuracy, and power. I also think that the utility provided by those attributes is insignificant to compared to the appeal it has for people wanting to own a B.F.R. I also think the attributes it has for utility are nullified by its weight and bulk. If it is more than a novelty it is marginally more.
 
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Have you shot one in .454?

I had one in .454 that I put probably 350 rounds thru.
It was very accurate.

Yes, I have. Also in .475 Linebaugh, .44 Mag, .30-30, .450 Marlin, and my favorite, and the one I still have, .500 JRH.

BFRs offer great bang for the buck.
 
Yes, I have. Also in .475 Linebaugh, .44 Mag, .30-30, .450 Marlin, and my favorite, and the one I still have, .500 JRH.



BFRs offer great bang for the buck.


I won't buy another FA because of the BFR.
 
I don't think anyone ever knocked the BFR for quality. I'd love to own one but in a more typical revolver cartridge/package. The .475 and .500 JRH have spoken to me for some time.

To answer the question, Unique is a pretty popular choice for reduced power .45-70. But then you are just carrying around a gigantic, cumbersome .454 or .45 Colt. You can do whatever you want with your money, but it just makes a whole lot more sense to stick a pistol/revolver cartridge in a carbine than a rifle cartridge in a pistol/revolver.
 
I don't think anyone ever knocked the BFR for quality. I'd love to own one but in a more typical revolver cartridge/package. The .475 and .500 JRH have spoken to me for some time.

To answer the question, Unique is a pretty popular choice for reduced power .45-70. But then you are just carrying around a gigantic, cumbersome .454 or .45 Colt. You can do whatever you want with your money, but it just makes a whole lot more sense to stick a pistol/revolver cartridge in a carbine than a rifle cartridge in a pistol/revolver.


Yep.
 
I'll bandwagon the idea that it isn't the BFR, it's the .45/70, that raises eyebrows.

I have seriously considered a .454 BFR several times and wouldn't be at all ashamed to own one. Ruger releasing a .454 SBH makes for a tighter race but hasn't completely knocked the BFR out of the running.
 
I have not shot one but the last three posts cover my sentiment on a 45-70 revolver also. They appear to be well made, I just don't want one in that clambering.

Honestly I don't want one at all because of how stupid huge the BFR is. I'd sooner go after the Ruger Super Blackhawk in 454 or 480. But that's just personal taste.
 
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I have not shot one but the last three posts cover my sentiment on a 45-70 revolver also. They appear to be well made, I just don't want one in that clambering.

Honestly I don't want one at all because of how stupid huge the BFR is. I'd sooner go after the Ruger Super Blackhawk in 454 or 480. But that's just personal taste.


BFR 454 is no larger than a Freedom Arms in 454.

I will assume the same is true for the Ruger.
 
For heavy handguns & large/dangerous game, S&W's 50Mag is about as optimized as total system gets.

When compared at SAAMI specs against any reasonable barrel-length "45-70" handgun for similar bullet weights (300gr in this case), the 50Mag (11") goes out @2,250fps/3,350ft-lbs; with the 45-70 (12") comes up w/ 1,740fps/2,000ft-lbs.

I hold the 45-70 handgun to being the same league as the "Judge" -- an ungainly novelty.
 
Loaded very carefully with the right kind of pistol powder. Most pistol powders would quickly hit dangerous over-charge levels with that big case still looking nearly empty!
Something like Trail Boss would work very well, though.
FF might boost the novelty
 
From Col. Plink (the op):

So I'm a big guy, don't expect too much recoil abuse; so if loaded with pistol powder the 45-70 might be a go'er?

Col. if you want the gun in 45-70 by all means get it. They make them to be sold and it does BFR no good to make them and have them sit on a shelf in a warehouse.

Shoot it with various loads, go hunting with it, shoot Silhouette (IMSHA, http://www.ihmsa.org/), and then come back here and tell us how you liked it...or not.

In other words if you have an itch for it, scratch.

Does it matter that it's a novelty? Nope.

Does it matter that others don't think it makes sense? Nope.

Will you have to sell pints of your own blood to afford it? Don't worry your body makes more!

Get it, shoot it, and come back and tell us all about it.

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