Threaded barrel illegal anywhere?

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In California threading a semi-automatic pistol barrel makes it an unregistered assault weapon/felony. That's true even if the threads are how the weapon is assembled, as I think it was Walther found out to their sorrow.

Def semi auto long guns, not positive on handguns but I believe so.

Curious as to why you're asking?




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I think its illegal in cali to even know someone in a different state who owns a threaded barrel. Everything fun is illegal there.

JJ, a cap for a threaded barrel is a standard item. In place, it protects the threads and is barely discernible.

My understanding that the Tri Via were the Roads to Wisdom, being Theology, Science, and Art; that the Tri Via were taught in the Renaissance universities. Which were taught in Latin and Greek, because those were the languages such wisdom had been accumulated in.

The early students in those colleges (collegia) spoke every language and dialect in Europe, thus, teaching Art and Theology in Greek, and Science, Medicine and law in Latin gave a common argot, a lingua franca for those students.

After a while, when the colleges and universities had established themselves, and teaching in the local tongue common, the three ways were seen to be quaint, old-fashioned, in a word, trivial.

And the real tre vie district in Rome is where three roads meet and where the Trevi fountain was erected.

At one time the feds ruled that even threading a barrel was illegal without a tax stamp since it would show intent to install a silencer. I don't know what rules were changed or if they backed off on that.

Jim

Jim K ....At one time the feds ruled that even threading a barrel was illegal without a tax stamp since it would show intent to install a silencer. I don't know what rules were changed or if they backed off on that.

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No such ATF Ruling ever.

In California possessing a threaded pistol barrel, purchasing, importing etc is legal.
Having one on a semi-automatic that uses detachable magazines makes it an assault weapon, generally illegal unless on the closed registry.
It is the act of actually putting it into the gun though that creates the 'assault weapon', the barrel itself is not illegal nor is possession of it with no legal use in the state.

Muzzle brakes, barrel extensions, and other useful things can be attached beyond silencers.
Some powerful handguns are a lot more manageable with a muzzle brake.

I believe in some parts of VA.

§ 18.2-287.4. Carrying loaded firearms in public areas prohibited; penalty.
It shall be unlawful for any person to carry a loaded (a) semi-automatic center-fire rifle or pistol that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material and is equipped at the time of the offense with a magazine that will hold more than 20 rounds of ammunition or designed by the manufacturer to accommodate a silencer or equipped with a folding stock or (b) shotgun with a magazine that will hold more than seven rounds of the longest ammunition for which it is chambered on or about his person on any public street, road, alley, sidewalk, public right-of-way, or in any public park or any other place of whatever nature that is open to the public in the Cities of Alexandria, Chesapeake, Fairfax, Falls Church, Newport News, Norfolk, Richmond, or Virginia Beach or in the Counties of Arlington, Fairfax, Henrico, Loudoun, or Prince William.

The provisions of this section shall not apply to law-enforcement officers, licensed security guards, military personnel in the performance of their lawful duties, or any person having a valid concealed handgun permit or to any person actually engaged in lawful hunting or lawful recreational shooting activities at an established shooting range or shooting contest. Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.
The exemptions set forth in § 18.2-308 shall apply, mutatis mutandis, to the provisions of this section.
(1991, c. 570; 1992, c. 790; 2003, c. 976; 2004, c. 995; 2005, c. 160; 2007, c. 8

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A threaded barrel is one of the evil features in the "assault weapon" law in NJ. Not illegal by itself. Pistol grip, bayonet stud, flash surpressor, folding or telescoping stock, weigh more than 50 oz for a handgun, etc. are others. Basically you can have one evil feature. Two makes it an "assault weapon".

^ In NoVa's liberal bastions, I see. That should stop those evildoers in their tracks. Einstein was certainly correct about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

"Designed by the manufacturer to accommodate a silencer"

So adding an aftermarket threaded barrel is OK? Not that I'm volunteering to be the test case.

I believe part of the new laws in NY and CT prohibited threaded barrels, or caused the weapon to be considered an "assault rifle" which were prohibited.

Under CA laws...

Threaded barrel are only illegal when installed on a semi-auto pistol that accepts detachable magazines. [PC 30515(a)(4)(A)]


Summary:
Threaded barrel not installed (by itself*) = legal
Threaded barrel installed on a shotgun = legal
Threaded barrel installed on a rifle = legal
Threaded barrel installed on a bolt-action pistol = legal
Threaded barrel installed on a lever-action pistol = legal
Threaded barrel installed on a pump-action pistol = legal
Threaded barrel installed on a revolver = legal
Threaded barrel installed on a single-shot pistol = legal
Threaded barrel installed on a semi-auto pistol with a fixed 10 or less round magazine = legal
Threaded barrel installed on a semi-auto pistol with detachable magazines = illegal [PC 30515(a)(4)(A)]

*Due to court cases that have established "constructive possession" of assault weapons and possession of "broken" assault weapons... It is recommended that the threaded barrel is not transported or stored with a semi-auto pistol, that accepts detachable magazines, that can use the threaded barrel.

Guess I won't be taking my FNX-45 Tactical out there anytime soon then. Thanks for the very informative discussion.

I believe part of the new laws in NY and CT prohibited threaded barrels, or caused the weapon to be considered an "assault rifle" which were prohibited.

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Connecticut is a little more complicated than that.

A semi-automatic pistol with a detachable magazine and a threaded barrel is an assault weapon.

On semi-automatic centerfire rifles with detachable magazines, the threaded barrel is no longer a feature. Instead what may be threaded on is the feature (e.g. flash hider, grenade launcher, flare launcher)

With respect to, other semi-automatic rifles (e.g. rimfire) with detachable magazines, the threaded barrel is a feature- however if the threaded barrel is the sole assault weapon feature, then it is not an assault weapon.

A threaded barrel is never an assault weapon feature on a shotgun.

On non-semi-auto and fixed magazine semi-auto rifles and pistols, threaded barrels are good to to go.

Also, Connecticut still allows preban assault weapons.

Virginia has state firearms law preemption; so unless it's a state law ... it is not law. BUT I would not be surprised if some localities still "have gun laws on the books".

Just like the Connecticut lawsuit going forward against Bushmaster despite a law that forbids it.

Red Wind said:

^ In NoVa's liberal bastions, I see. That should stop those evildoers in their tracks. Einstein was certainly correct about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

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worldtraveler119 said:

Guess I won't be taking my FNX-45 Tactical out there anytime soon then.

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Nor I.

What I found interesting was seeing an argument on CalGuns years ago...

Back story:
I mentioned before about Walther running afoul of this law. The P22 has a barrel nut that holds the barrel into the frame...not sure of the details as I've never taken one apart but from what I read they got an opinion from the Cal DOJ that because it was integral and used for assembly it was OK. They shipped a bunch of P22s into the state...at which point the Cal DOJ turned around and said "those are illegal threaded barrels you've got to make this right."

Long story slightly shorter. Walther did a recall where they unscrewed the nut, added loc-tite, and called that permanent. California was ok with that so P22s sold in California after that point had a loc-titeed barrel nut.

So anyway, someone wanted to know if you could apply the same reasoning to a gun like the Ruger MkIII ultralight that comes with a threaded barrel. E.g. if you used permanent loc-tite or even silver solder to attach a lug-style silencer quick detach mount like the Checkmate QD:



The QD uses three identical lugs, meaning it is not "threads" in the engineering sense.

What was funny was the complete difference of opinion that engendered, with some people saying that yeah you might want to use silver solder just to be sure but you should be gtg, and others insisting that if a silencer could mount to it, it must meet the legal definition of a thread. The whole thing fell to bickering when, after about 20 passes, the "it's not a thread" side couldn't convince the "it must be, a silencer can attach to it" side or vice versa.

steelerdude99 said:

Virginia has state firearms law preemption; so unless it's a state law ... it is not law. BUT I would not be surprised if some localities still "have gun laws on the books".

Just like the Connecticut lawsuit going forward against Bushmaster despite a law that forbids it.

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Good point. We went through the same nonsense in Florida until the 2010 Legislature clamped down and starting assessing $5,000 fines to local governments and politicians per each offense against state preemption. Money out of their pocket is the only thing they truly understand.

Here is the Florida Statute.

(c) If the court determines that a violation was knowing and willful, the court shall assess a civil fine of up to $5,000 against the elected or appointed local government official or officials or administrative agency head under whose jurisdiction the violation occurred.

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Red Wind said:

Good point. We went through the same nonsense in Florida until the 2010 Legislature clamped down and starting assessing $5,000 fines to local governments and politicians per each offense against state preemption. Money out of their pocket is the only thing they truly understand.

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http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?35633-Virginia-s-Preemption-Law-§-15-2-915

I don't think the VA law "has teeth" like that. At least there is no mention of what would happen to those who pass a law covered by preemption in opencarry.org's summary. BTW, the opencarry.org link ^^^above had another link referring to the state's web site, BUT it was a broken one.

Frank Ettin said:

Not exactly.

Immunity laws, like the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) possibly involved in the Bushmaster lawsuit, do not, and can not, forbid a lawsuit. ...

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Thanks for clarifying.