Ruger Precision Rile, .308 -- it can shoot!

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Got an RPR Gen1 for a bit under $1100 out the door at a gun show a while back and finally got a scope mounted and a chance to get out and try it.

It wears a Primary Arms 4-14x44 FFP R-grid reticle in UTG QD mounts. About $400 out the door.

Here is a quick photo of the seup:
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Started at 50 yards, removed the bolt and did a quick bore sighting. I had 10 "Barney rounds" of W German DAG surplus I used to walk into a decent zero unsuppressed.

Then I did a five shot group of Malaysian surplus and got a nice group, so I added the suppressor (Gemtech HVT-QD) and shot a nice group. POA/POI shift was minimal so I tweaked the zero for the suppressor and this ammo.

Then I opened a box of PPU 145gr FMJ to shoot at 50, 100, & 300 yards.
Here are the targets:
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After the 50 yard target I did two 1/10 MIL clicks left and moved to 100 yards. Pretty nice at 100, good enough to move to 300 for a 10 shot group. It was absurdly hot and humid, the flags on the pole indicated 7-10 mph wind straight in my face, but at ground level I could barely feel it. My point is with a 50 yard zero I expected to be high at 100 yards, a bit puzzled, but I moved on to 300.

That is where I had a "brain fart" -- I used the reticle as if it were BDC instead of MIL-DOT and put the first four shots way above the target before I realized it! Flustered, I moved the chevron to the "hanging hole at the top of the target and put the final six on the paper, with two just breaking the bottom edge of the target paper. I measured the group as 7" -- not bad for military spec ammo and the first time out with the rifle. Next time out will be with better ammo.



Things aligned and I got out again yesterday, straight to the 300 yard line with another box of the 145gr FMJ PPU, PPU 168 gr JSP-BT "hunting ammo", PPU 175gr Match, and Hornady 155gr Steel Match and a freshly cleaned rifle. Conditions were not a nice as the first outing -- gusting 0-10 mph right to left, mostly full value with some .7 to .5 -- challenging conditions for me. I made no attempt to dope the wind, or compensate POA I just tried to time my shots to when it was most calm. Ten shots at each target, all suppressed.

Here are the targets:
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First target with the PPU was worse than before, but using a 1 MIL compensated center hold I was happy enough with the scope settings I left it alone. The little blue tape points to the first shot out of the cold cleaned barrel, I was pleased indeed! Everything else was shot as fast as practical while waiting for when the wind appeared to be calmest based on movement of the weeds that I could see in front of the target. Three shots were left just off the paper 10-11 o'clock, I measured the group as 10.7" before removing the target. Could be the wind, or could be the difference between a 6 and 10 shot groups in the first and second outing. But clearly this is why they make "match" ammo :)

Next up was the PPU 168gr hunting ammo, I had no velocity info so I put a 1" blaze orange dot at the top of the target to use for POA, figuring the heavier ammo would shoot a bit lower -- it wasn't that much lower. I was very happy with this group I measured as 4.2", one shot was just off the paper and was included in the group. I'll certainly buy more if I ever see it again.

Third target was a bit of a disappointment, PPU 175gr MATCH. I went back to center POA. One shot was just off the paper to the left about 9 o'clock. I measured this as 6.5" I was expecting better, I'll look forward to trying it again. If it wasn't so dang hot and humid and getting hotter, I'd have done so then and there, but it was also possible the heat was affecting me so I figured one more target and go home.

Last up was the Hornady 155gr STEEL MATCH. I didn't know what to expect but was really very happy -- I measured 3.9" If it does as good next time out I'll definitely be shopping for more -- the price was very nice in 50 round boxes.


I think Ruger really hit the mark with the RPR as an entry level long range rifle!


Given that I very rarely shoot at things past 150 yards I was thrilled with the out of the box performance of this ~$1500 rig. Most amazing thing was not once did I forget to cycle the bolt! :) Last time I shot a bolt action was a few years ago using my friends .17HMR and pulled the trigger again without working the bolt almost every time.

At my club, 300 yards is the longest shooting lane. But now I'm really motivated to get to my Bud's ranch and start cutting brush and moving dirt to get some shooting lanes out as far as we can -- maybe 5-800 yards, currently ~250 is as far as we have a straight line.

That Primary Arms scope is very nice for the money, While I couldn't see the holes in the misses on the ~3'x4' backing paper I had put up first, I could see all the holes on the Dirty Bird target, but not sure I could really resolve the ones that were touching.
 

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Nice write up/review.

The RPRs are a lot of bang for the buck. I have a .243 RPR and a 6.5 Creedmoor RPR. After a bit of load development for each rifle, they both shoot 1/2moa or better. I do wish the triggers would tune down a little more. I haven't pulled the triggers apart yet to see what can be done to them but I suspect there is another half pound that can be shaved off somewhere in the works. I think the triggers on the latest models of the RPR tune down a little lower - maybe 3/4 pound lighter than the lowest possible pull on the first gen RPRs. All of the other "upgrades" featured on the new models are easy do-it-yourself mods: metal bolt shroud (several now available on the market), slimmer handguard (several on the market), etc. I have considered swapping out the rear stocks for LuthAR MBA stocks to save some weight but I haven't gotten around to it yet.

Speaking of the stock on the RPR, if you get one that is hard to adjust, check the locking plates under the adjustment levers. The one on my .243 was easy to adjust but the one on my 6.5 was almost impossible. Someone had severely over-torqued the levers and bent the locking plates under the levers. Five minutes and a bench vise had everything working correctly again but if I didn't have the stock on the .243 to compare it to, I would have thought Ruger had dropped the ball on the adjustment mechanism. I have to wonder if that isn't the cause of some of the negative reviews I have read about the stock adjustments on the RPRs...

The Primary Arms scopes aren't bad. Definitely good for the money. I have one of their 4-14x FFP mildot scopes. The turrets are a little mushy but otherwise accurate enough to pass a box test. They are not as clear as my 3-15x FFP SWFA scope but they are 1/3 the price. If you need a good deal on an upgrade from the PA 4-14x the 3-15x FFP SWFA is definitely worth a look. It is clear enough to make out hits with no problem. As a bonus, they have a lifetime transferable warranty and they are built like tanks (rated for the .50). I caught mine on sale but it would have been worth the regular price as it still would have been a deal in terms of price vs. performance. I like their 30mm six screw rings as well. The only complaint I have about SWFA is I ordered one of their can koozies months ago and never received it (they have yet to bill me for it as it is still out of stock)...how am I supposed to hit targets at long range if it is 109 degrees and my damn beer is warm?
 
100 yards is my typical range for target shooting. I rarely have a chance to shoot further than that. With me 1 inch at 100 does not mean 3" at 300. I suck at 300 yard shooting. To that end, I am impressed with your preliminary results. ALL of my Ruger bolt rifles have needed to be "shot in." They also perform better a bit fouled.
 
Nice report!

Am I the only one who can't see the pics?
 
I don't know what happened. The photos didn't show in Control Panel->Attachments when I looked. I've uploaded them again, verified that they show in my Attachments, and have edited the links in the original post to the ones in the control panel. If you still can't see them I can post just the new links in a follow-up message.

It took me a few minutes to figure out the stock adjustment mechanism, but didn't seem unduly difficult to adjust once I figured out how they were supposed to work.

As a new to long range shooting, I think ammo upgrades and more practice will be more productive than better equipment at this point in time. Its seems clear to me that reading the wind and adjusting POA to compensate is the real hard part to master.
 
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I can see them now, couldn't earlier. Looks good, glad you are happy with it. Kinda wish I hadn't stumbled over the post, seeing that I am broke at the moment... :(
 
Congrats, looks like you have a shooter, I wonder what it would do with some better ammo like FGMM (I think PSA has some on sale right now). I love my 6.5 RPR, I have 600 - 700 rds down the tube so far, and accuracy has been 0.5 ish, sometimes less; it's been sitting in the safe too much lately though as I can't find enough H4350 to keep it fed these days. One of the cool things about this rifle is it feeds well from regular .308 P-mags (my go to load, 0.020" off has an oal of 2.760"), so I can load up several at home and not have to mess around loading them at the range, or in a match.
 
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wally:

Nice write-up. Thank-you for sharing it, and especially with photos.

Geno
 
Congrats!

Ruger really seems to have hit a home run with this rifle.

After searching for months for a reasonably priced 6.5C V2, I just ordered one today in .243 for $979 delivered. I'm hoping to get it next week then start the load development. I've got a Leupold MK4 6.5-20 I'll put on it until I decide what to buy for it. I'm already setup up to load for .243, so I' figure I'll play with it like that for a while before re-barreling it in 6.5 "something". I figured the lower $979 price I can afford some upgrades/mods.

Luckily I can shoot out to 750 in my "back-yard" so I'll get to give it a workout.

Chuck
 
I just ordered one today in .243 for $979 delivered. I'm hoping to get it next week then start the load development.

I have one also in .243. The first attached pic is 15 shots on a 9 inch gong at 400 yards. The first splash up near the hanger was the first shot out of a clean barrel, so fouling shot. The next 2 located at 2 o'clock were fired w/o scope adjustment after the first shot. With those 2 landing together, I then adjusted the scope for the center of the gong and put 12 shots into a group that is about 3 inches (hard to be exact when working with gong splashes). It was a very calm, still evening. What breeze there was was coming directly at me.

The second pic was a week or so later (you can see the beans have grown!) also at 400 yards, but this time with a gusty 10 to 15 mph wind coming at me from about 2 o'clock. The wind was affecting my ability to "aim steady" probably more than it was affecting bullet travel, so this one is not nearly as pretty. Still, 15 shots into about 2 MOA under those conditions.

It was not an easy rifle to work up a load for - it was very picky. Once I found what it liked, I can routinely get 7 shot groups under 3/4 MOA at 200 yards off sandbags and a bench. (Both groups above were shot that way.) But... When I shoot prone using a bipod, my groups open up quite a bit with occasional flyers that are quite puzzling. I have not experienced this with any of my other rifles, but from reading other boards, I've noticed I'm not the only one who has experienced this with the RPR. Most recommend swapping out the handguard for a better/stiffer one for the bipod to attach to. But I haven't gotten around to that yet.
 

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It was not an easy rifle to work up a load for - it was very picky. Once I found what it liked, I can routinely get 7 shot groups under 3/4 MOA at 200 yards off sandbags and a bench. (Both groups above were shot that way.) But... When I shoot prone using a bipod, my groups open up quite a bit with occasional flyers that are quite puzzling. I have not experienced this with any of my other rifles, but from reading other boards, I've noticed I'm not the only one who has experienced this with the RPR. Most recommend swapping out the handguard for a better/stiffer one for the bipod to attach to. But I haven't gotten around to that yet.

The handguard is one of the 1st upgrades I plan on making.

What bullets are you loading????

I've read a lot of load data for the RPR in 6.5, but not much at all in .243. I honestly don't know how long mine will remain in .243 as I still want a either a .260 or .260AI and I look at the RPR as the base for a project. It was either that or go with a REM 700 action, the RPR is actually a more cost effective place to start.

Thanks,

Chuck
 
Thanks for all the great feedback, a bit of playing around with a ballistics calculator solved my 50 vs. 100 yard mystery:
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=222895&stc=1&d=1471187852
My expectation was totally incorrect. This gives me a starting point for when I get to longer ranges.


I wonder what it would do with some better ammo like FGMM (I think PSA has some on sale right now).

Me too, thanks for the tip about the PSA sale, I've ordered half a dozen brands of various "match" type ammo, which should give me some good practice at 300 yards. I'll stock up on what gives me the best bang/buck before moving to longer distances so the only variables will be me and distance.

My main priority now is to start carving out a longer shooting lane. Hasn't rained in almost two months but its raining now, and expected to be off and on all next week :( but we do need the rain. If it doesn't make things too wet I can try to take advantage of the cooler temps between thunderstorms.

Climbnjump, nice 400 yard shooting at the gong! Shooting steel at longer ranges is what I really want to do, I hate staring into a spotting scope to try and see if I hit anything :)
 

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The handguard is one of the 1st upgrades I plan on making.



What bullets are you loading????



I've read a lot of load data for the RPR in 6.5, but not much at all in .243. I honestly don't know how long mine will remain in .243 as I still want a either a .260 or .260AI and I look at the RPR as the base for a project. It was either that or go with a REM 700 action, the RPR is actually a more cost effective place to start.



Thanks,



Chuck



Berger 105 VLD Target works well in the .243 RPR
Sierra 107gr HPBT Matchking also works well.

If you have problems shooting from a bipod (mine doesn't) check the barrel to verify it is well centered in the hand guard. I pulled the one off my .243 and then put it back on and managed to get it lined up better than how it came from the factory. No problems since when shooting off my Harris w/rotapod.

If that doesn't work, Seekins SP3R.

Edit to add a gripe: the finish on the RPRs is certainly not the most durable I have seen. I will likely Cerakote both of mine at some point.
 
Berger 105 VLD Target works well in the .243 RPR
Sierra 107gr HPBT Matchking also works well.

If you have problems shooting from a bipod (mine doesn't) check the barrel to verify it is well centered in the hand guard. I pulled the one off my .243 and then put it back on and managed to get it lined up better than how it came from the factory. No problems since when shooting off my Harris w/rotapod.

If that doesn't work, Seekins SP3R.

Edit to add a gripe: the finish on the RPRs is certainly not the most durable I have seen. I will likely Cerakote both of mine at some point.

I've got some Bergers and the Sierra's on order along with 100rds of Lapua brass.

The Seekins SP3R is the handguard I'm looking at. I'm looking at the RPR as a base gun to modify, so like you a refinish is probably down teh road, once it's rebarreled.

What kind of accuracy are you getting from the .243??

Any load issues to watch out for?/

Thanks,

Chuck
 
What bullets are you loading????

On the two 400 yard gong photos I have in an earlier post, I was using Hornady 105 gr A-MAX over 45.8 gr of H1000. That's not exactly considered a first choice powder for the .243, but I'm getting 2944 fps and SD's in the single digits with it. (This is 0.2 gr under max in the Hodgdon reloading guide so as always, start lower and work up.)
 
On the two 400 yard gong photos I have in an earlier post, I was using Hornady 105 gr A-MAX over 45.8 gr of H1000. That's not exactly considered a first choice powder for the .243, but I'm getting 2944 fps and SD's in the single digits with it. (This is 0.2 gr under max in the Hodgdon reloading guide so as always, start lower and work up.)

THANKS!!

Any issues with the magazine restricting OAL to the point you can't get the bullet as close to the lands as you'd like??????

Chuck
 
Nice write up.

I suck past 100 yds. Might have something to do with retirement. ;)

The way I look at it, just gives me more of an excuse to spend more time at the range to compensate for my handicap.

Keep shooting, you'll be in the 10 ring (300m) in no time.
 
Any issues with the magazine restricting OAL to the point you can't get the bullet as close to the lands as you'd like??????

I use PMAG AICS mags and can seat out to 2.86" OAL in those. That's about .03-.06" longer than in the regular PMAG mags that come with the rifle.
 
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