Star Model Super B Disassembly Problems

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I recently bought a Star Model Super B online from a reputable dealer.
When I tried to takedown the gun for inspection and cleaning, I had difficulty removing the slide from the frame. The gun worked well otherwise.

My questions are, is it safe to shoot, and could the takedown lever be the problem ?

Thanks.:)
 
Hard to say. I have a couple and they come apart pretty easy. Maybe a good cleaning would help.
 
First Firing of Star Model Super B 9mm

I finally got a chance to shoot my (new to me) Star Super B this past week.
In less than two mags, I had failure to feed several times, failure to eject twice, and possible (can't remember) failure to fire. A real "whammer-jammer". I took five HG's to the range and wrote down what I remembered when I got home. It was well lubed.

The online dealer replied that I should take it to a gunsmith, and that it was probably a minor problem. I don't expect a gunsmith to guarantee he can "fix it" at any price.

Any opinions ?:)
 
Do you only have one magazine? In your post it is unclear if you have two mags, or if you reloaded the one mag and tried again. Most problems can be traced to the magazine.

I would start with loading one round in the mag and try firing that. Does it lock back the slide reliably? if that works, try two rounds. Keep going until the gun starts to malfunction. If it gets worse with additional rounds in the mag, I would suspect a weak magazine spring.

Before going any further, I would call Wolff, or whoever you like, and get a complete spring set. You might be amazed at what new springs can do for a gun!
 
tark, thanks for the good advise, and will try it.
Thinking about ordering Wolff Springs, but I am having difficulty locating mag springs.
 
At one time you could send Wolff your spring and they would use yours as a pattern to make a new spring. Not sure if they still do that, but you could ask.
 
Wolff Springs

BBBBill, Oppps!!! I already ordered Wolff Springs. They didn't seem to have mag springs though.
Your info makes a lot of sense. I'll keep that in mind, in case I don't get what I need.
Thanks. :)
 
I got my Wolff Springs and the recoil spring was smaller than the one I already had. It was so small that it wouldn't fit my recoil spring guide.
It also had an accompanying firing pin spring, which did not seem pertinent to my problem.
It is "extremely hard" to remove the slide from the frame, even after I :
1. Removed the mag
2. Hammer cocked back
3. Take-down lever (right side of the frame) is rotated forward in correct position (all the way)
What did I do wrong, and / or what do I need to do to correct the problem of slide removal ?
 
https://web.archive.org/web/20100108100056/http://stevespages.com/pdf/star.pdf



When the magazine has been emptied, the slide stop (41) engages the slide and
holds it open, thus serving as an indicator to remind the shooter that the empty magazine
must be replaced by a loaded one.

Pressing down the slide stop will depress the magazine follower and permit the
slide to go forward. If a loaded magazine is inserted before the slide stop is depressed,
this forward motion of the slide will load the firing chamber, leaving the pistol ready for
immediate action.

SAFETIES

A thumb safety (36) is provided, which when at its topmost position, positively locks
the hammer and slide.

TO DISASSEMBLE THE PISTOL FOR CLEANING PURPOSES

1. First, check to be sure that there is no cartridge left in the firing chamber. Depress
the magazine catch button (29) on the left side of the pistol back of the trigger, and
withdraw magazine.
2. Push the recoil spring plug (84) below the barrel muzzle inward with the index finger
of the right hand (or butt of magazine) far enough to permit the barrel bushing (78)
which locks the barrel to be turned to the right until the plug goes forward under
the tension of the recoil spring. (Care should be taken not to let the plug to jump
away). (See fig. 3 and 4).
3. Cock the hammer. Pull the slide back until the rear edge of the smaller recess in the
lower edge of the slide is even with the rear end of the slide stop. Press the index
finger of the right hand against the end of the slide stop which protudes from the
opposite side of the frame obove the trigger guard and pull out the slide stop
(See fig. 5).
4. As this slide stop is the medium by which the barrel link and slide are locked to the
frame, withdrawing it releases the barrel and slide assembly, which may then together
be drawn from the frame, carrying also the recoil spring, recoil spring guide and
barrel bushing. (See fig. 6).
5. The barrel bushing, recoil spring and its guide may now be pulled out of the slide.
(See fig. 7).
6. The barrel may then be drawn out if the link is tilted forward (See fig. 8).


This is all the disassembling necessary to properly clean the pistol.
 
Gary, thank you for your input, but the above instructions appear to be for the Star Model B, rather than Star Model Super B, which has a take-down lever on the right side of the frame. This supposedly allows the slide to be separated from the frame, before the recoil spring is removed.

I'm afraid I have a lemon on my hand with this Star Super B.

Thanks again for the info.
 
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I have a Star Super B
I have reamed out the chamber to 9x23mm.
I have reamed out the slide to take a bigger recoil spring, from .431" to .4375".
Spring; Wolff gunsmith pak #14 spring #10 .045" wire 24 coils 4.75" extended
 
You'll never get the barrel bushing out with the barrel in the slide!
check for unload
takedown lever on right side forward
Pull slide assembly off the gun forward. It comes off easy.
it should look like this:
kszyp.jpg

grasp recoil spring guide/spring -push it forward then up to release it
Guide and spring pulls right out

Then you can remove the bbl bushing then the barrel and you are done.
 
correction- when you grab the spring guide and spring at the rear end, push forward and pull downward. The whole guide rod and spring drops right out. Then and only then can you remove the barrel bushing and barrel. I got stuck when learning how to take it down as the instructions are the same as noted above from the wrong take down book. Apparently the B and the Super B are different animals. Mine is definately a Super B.
It eats everything and never never malfunctions. A pleasure to shoot.
 
correction- when you grab the spring guide and spring at the rear end, push forward and pull downward. The whole guide rod and spring drops right out. Then and only then can you remove the barrel bushing and barrel. I got stuck when learning how to take it down as the instructions are the same as noted above from the wrong take down book. Apparently the B and the Super B are different animals. Mine is definately a Super B.
It eats everything and never never malfunctions. A pleasure to shoot.

Apparently we both have the same book, " NRA Disassembly / Assembly of Pistols and Revolvers ".
Mine seems to have the written instructions and numbered diagrams (pictures) mixed up on different pages for "Star B" and "Star Super B".
Once I got that straightened out and labeled, it was easy.

My problem is separating the slide from the frame, after the take-down lever (on the right side of the frame / receiver) is in the correct forward position. I can separate them with "extreme" force. The rest of the take-down procedure is easy.
There must be an internal part (perhaps behind the take-down lever) that is causing this difficult slide / frame separation, and maybe the overall "jamming" poor functioning too.:scrutiny:
 
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If you are successful in separating the frame from the slide components, you will be able to see what I think is a bent rail on the frame. AS you see in the picture, the slide assembly should slide off forward just like greased hot butter. If you cannot visually see the hang up point, it could be caused by a number of things, for instance a mismatch between frame and slide! Like parts from 2 different guns? Give the pieces to a gunsmith. Don't take grinding compound to the frame yet!
 
Hey Gun-Master have you mastered the secret of the sticky slide yet? We are all ears awaiting the answer to your problem, at least I am. I hope you took it to a gunsmith.
 
Hey Gun-Master have you mastered the secret of the sticky slide yet? We are all ears awaiting the answer to your problem, at least I am. I hope you took it to a gunsmith.
Hey, I didn't mean to keep you "in suspenders", but the sticky slide problem hasn't been solved yet.
I have lubricated the heck out of it and it still is hard to remove.
I'll probably wind up taking it to a gunsmith, but I have 3 guns that I have never fired, which takes precedence.
I'll let you guys know. :)
 
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