The MCRibb of the striker fired pistol world

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Many moons ago I owned a xd40 pretty much when they were first introduced and liked it a lot about the first 300 rounds or so and then it just seized up and was done, out of the fight back to Springfield Armory to repair. I assumed it was the recoil spring assembly because upon its return it was replaced with a way more heavy duty and robust rsa. That along with the grip safety sear was replaced. I quickly sold the xd40 off as soon as I could even though I loved the way it shot and felt in the hand. I just completely lost confidence in the platform and blamed myself for venturing away from glocks for my striker fired choice of pistol. This was before m&p, vp, p320, sr, ppq or whatever else we have now. Being uneducated on walthers then I completely overlooked the p99 (huge mistake). I was young back then and on a tight budget so all the handguns I bought were multi role pistols for everything a gun is used for. So in good faith I could not carry that xd for a defensive pistol or a competition/class gun. Then I bought a Springfield gi champion a a good price around $400 and loved that gun for about 150-200 rounds before it broke the rsa and had to be warranty worked by Springfield as well. That gun returned with a more robust rsa as well. At this point I was p-o’ed and wondered what the hell was going on with Springfield Armory. I wanted to love Springfield Armory pistols because my second gun I ever owned was 1911 A1 Springfield Armory and it was a sweet shooter and equally reliable handgun that pretty much hooked me on the 1911 platform for life. But after 2 consecutive turds I more or less vowed to never own a Springfield Armory firearm ever again, even though I loved the way they shot and felt in the hand. Fool me once shame of you, fool me twice shame on me, fool me three times, well that ain’t gonna happen. Then I watch this video and a revelation hit me. My grip safety sear on the xd40 is what failed and locked the gun up, not the rsa that I thought broke and bound the action up like the one in the 1911 gi champion. What gets me is they still have this problem to this day and apparently these guns are failing at classes according to some instructors. If you have one you might want to consider what is said in this video, or one day your MCRIB may have you in a oh ****uation.
 
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If you are having that many problems with Springfield pistols, it might not be the pistol. Now admittedly I only have a sample size of three 9mm's, an XD Tactical, XDM and XDM 5.25. All three of mine have been through thousands of rounds of 3 gun, IDPA and just plinking without a single failure.
 
If you are having that many problems with Springfield pistols, it might not be the pistol. Now admittedly I only have a sample size of three 9mm's, an XD Tactical, XDM and XDM 5.25. All three of mine have been through thousands of rounds of 3 gun, IDPA and just plinking without a single failure.
I love that response hahahahahaha! Always that guy that blames the operator for junk pistols. My xd40 wasn’t even cleaned yet or disassembled when it took a crap. The gi champion died right there at the range fresh out of the box. I wish I kept the replaced parts sheet just to prove that it happen. But then again I could really care less what people believe, I have no need to lie about a brand. Like I said my Springfield 1911 A1 was flawless. The xd40 and gi champion were both new offerings when I purchased them. The only other unreliable guns I’ve had over the years was my ruger Sr45, but even it just has normal malfunctions that permit it to keep going with remedial action. Those Springfield pistols were down for the count. The guy I sold the gi champion to I still run into every couple of years or so and he swears it has run like a champ every since I sold it to him. The xd40 I couldn’t tell you. Funny Ive never had any problems out of glocks, berettas, sigs, hk’s, brownings, s&w’s, walthers, taurus’s or cz’s. But hey I just can’t run Springfield Armory guns correctly lol. It’s my fault both recoil spring assemblies and the xd40 grip safety sear was replaced. Maybe I limp wristed it too hard. What a joke man get real
 
I love that response hahahahahaha! Always that guy that blames the operator for junk pistols. My xd40 wasn’t even cleaned yet or disassembled when it took a crap. The gi champion died right there at the range fresh out of the box. I wish I kept the replaced parts sheet just to prove that it happen. But then again I could really care less what people believe, I have no need to lie about a brand. Like I said my Springfield 1911 A1 was flawless. The xd40 and gi champion were both new offerings when I purchased them. The only other unreliable guns I’ve had over the years was my ruger Sr45, but even it just has normal malfunctions that permit it to keep going with remedial action. Those Springfield pistols were down for the count. The guy I sold the gi champion to I still run into every couple of years or so and he swears it has run like a champ every since I sold it to him. The xd40 I couldn’t tell you. Funny Ive never had any problems out of glocks, berettas, sigs, hk’s, brownings, s&w’s, walthers, taurus’s or cz’s. But hey I just can’t run Springfield Armory guns correctly lol. It’s my fault both recoil spring assemblies and the xd40 grip safety sear was replaced. Maybe I limp wristed it too hard. What a joke man get real


Didn’t you have an issue with the CZP-10C due to a video by Omaha Outdoors?
 
Some people are extremely sensitive to any issues with equipment because they are only users. IE if it malfunctions they don't understand the basics of it's dynamic operation and blame the makers regardless of their practices in using it.

No machine is perfect and it can come to the user brand new with unresolved design issues. Since the gun market is accelerating the life cycle of new introductions those who plan to stay in business attempt to keep up which produces more lemons. The consumer in general thinks they should always pick the New! item instead of a proven long term reliable performer and we then get a train wreck of hastily made guns with high expectations.

This has been speeding up for quite a while, and with the surge of new gun owners over the last decade they bring their consumer viewpoint into it steeped with a Mall Childs view that their every wish can be satisfied without delay or modification. Reality is not allowed to intrude.

As for the makers who steadily manufacture last years design and who have a strong loyal owner's group, well, meh. That is Old School and only old people appreciate them. It's a wonder why they are still in business.

We as gun owners are not going to be well served by participating in this.
 
Reminds me of when my bad attitude, and limpwristing caused the magwell, and feedramp in my RIA to be milled 5 degrees outside max specification.
 
I saw this video on Facebeast. I personally will never own an XD because I saw two people in a class who were unable to get them to fire because they didn't have the grip safety depressed. Beyond that no Springfield owner. I know has a problem with them.

I carry a Glock, it works for me.
 
I saw this video on Facebeast. I personally will never own an XD because I saw two people in a class who were unable to get them to fire because they didn't have the grip safety depressed. Beyond that no Springfield owner. I know has a problem with them.

I carry a Glock, it works for me.

I guess you'll never own a 1911 either. That's fine, whatever works for you. Better to carry and feel comfortable with a Glock than to be unsure with something you aren't sure of.

I've only owned XD's (9 and 45) since May and yes, you do need to be aware of the grip safety and depress it as second nature. If you're trying to pull the slide back because of a jammed round (like a test round seated too high which doesn't let the slide close), you have to remember to depress the grip safety or the slide will not open. Same goes for when you press the trigger to disassemble the gun. I personally grip high when I shoot (I've always done this since I started shooting with my first handgun gun which was a 1911) so my grip naturally depresses the grip safety when I'm in the shooting position and I never think about it. It's the irregular circumstances like clearing the gun and disassembling it where depressing the grip safety is not yet second nature.
 
I guess you'll never own a 1911 either.

No I won't. There's a reason the old timers pinned down the grip safeties on their 1911s.

I carry a handgun for self defense. I won't claim a lot of self defense experience but I enough to know that things get weird quick. I like to things simple and a grip safety can complicate things.

It's the irregular circumstances like clearing the gun and disassembling it where depressing the grip safety is not yet second nature.

Or irregular circumstances like clearing a malfunction in the middle of the fight

If you want to carry an XD (or a 1911) knock yourself out.
 
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I think it's worth mentioning that the video also claims there's not a police department in the country that issues or even allows their officers to carry XDs
 
I carry a handgun for self defense. I won't claim a lot of self defense experience but I enough to know that things get weird quick. I like to things simple and a grip safety can complicate things.

I've been a "critic" of the Springfield XD's with grip safeties and the S&W M&P's with manual safeties for this reason. I'm not a fan of Glocks in particular, but knowing in stress-crisis event, my focus won't be on mechanical manipulation of the pistol, I want as few as possible deliberate actions between "oh schitt" and "bang."
 
Not being allowed to carry a ccw, i dont have any experience with some of this stuff....just wanted to say I never knew you couldnt rack the slide on an XD without depressing the grip safety, so now i wanna go home and see if mines broken, or if i just manage to find a way to get a finger/thumb/hand on it every time i play with the gun. I also have the 10 shot, 5" 45 which obviously wouldnt be a common carry gun.
 
Didn’t you have an issue with the CZP-10C due to a video by Omaha Outdoors?
Depends on how you look at it. I don’t own a p10c as of yet. I posted the video showing the potential fatal flaw of the gun for maybe those who have had the problem would know what was the cause. That’s part of a gun forums purpose, to inform and potentially help people figure out what’s going on with their guns. I said i won’t buy a p10c until the gen 2 is introduced, and I said that long before the Omaha outdoors video. Cz and Walther are my favorite gun makers, I will own a p10c one day in the future. This isn’t about the Cz p10c but nice try though.
 
It's unusually ugly gun with more parts than needed due to unnecessary complexity. As he mentions when they first arrived at these shores new ones were around $300 with used samples in excellent condition going for $200 or little more. Now they probably cost used just as much as similar "Springfield Armory" guns because as you know they're proly quite rare.:uhoh:
What the person states on U-tube makes sense to me.
 
It's all good entertainment.
You can usually figure out the attitude of the poster when they use terms like "turds", "never again", "I deserve better for my hard earned money"
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or "Glock Perfection"
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Just curious, what do you call 2 guns new out the box that are completely inoperable within the first 200 and 300 rounds? That’ll be a turd in my book, or better yet a piece of s***. I told you my Springfield 1911 A1 was flawless so I’m not brand bashing or have a bad attitude because I quoted the truth about what happened to 2 new offerings from Springfield Armory that both failed when brand new out of the box. Then I said the GI was said to be going strong but apparently that wasn’t good enough for you. Maybe some instructors can chime in who have seen lots of XD’s in classes instead of fanboys who want to shift the blame to the user and label them a fanboy out of hurt feelings. I never said “glock perfection” but nice try, I like Cz’s, walthers, and sigs more than glocks. Although my g30S gets lots of carry time
 
Is it true no LE department carries the XD?
I don’t pay much attention to it, but have never heard of cops who do.

I’ve had frustration with other equipment and tools other people have had success with. I don’t think it’s on you to keep giving xd chance after chance.

I also don’t get offended when people have crappy luck with my favorite stuff.
 
I think it's worth mentioning that the video also claims there's not a police department in the country that issues or even allows their officers to carry XDs
To paraphrase a little I think he also said there might be some small departments that issue or allow the xd, but there are no large departments that do so. He’s right about that. The Ottawa Hills police department in Ohio had issued the xd40 when I had mine back in the mid to late 2000’s. I was young and kind of proud of that, too bad that didn’t last long. I do want to clear things up. I know there are some examples out there with high round counts but let’s face it, the roll pin in the top of the slide problem has been well documented. And the grip safety sear problem happened to me. The xdm might have resolved those problems of the xd, I don’t know.
 
If both brand new guns failed it’s your fault only. All jokes aside, I have no problem with the XD, I own a Glock. But I just can’t seem to get tight groups with any striker action. I honestly wish I could.

Thanks for answering my question. This is a silly observation I have made. It’s not science or intended to promote stereotypes. My friends in urban St. Louis love Glocks. My rural friends in rural parts of Missouri seem to favor the Springfield’s.
 
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I learned a lot from these experiences. First, the latest greatest isn’t always the greatest. Second, I no longer beta test guns, even though the xd was a rebranded hs2000 that had been around for a little bit. Third and lastly, Springfield xd’s and their lower level 1911’s aren’t for me. The bad things is I shot both of these guns really well. Had this happen to me with 2 out of 3 glocks, sigs, hk’s, walthers or cz’s I would swear off that brand as well. I have no brand loyalty to companies who’s guns fail me. I’ve personally only known 2 guys that had xdm 9mm’s and they both did run them pretty hard. The one guy taught classes and the other was a engineer at the job I was working at the time who was a paranoid prepper type. The saying there’s a fine line between genius and insanity comes to mind. I no longer speak or see these guys so I don’t know how well their xdm’s held up. As far as shooting striker guns well it’s been a long time coming for me. I made my bones with a 1911, beretta 92 fs, and a sig p229. The last 5 years or so I’ve really been able to match the accuracy with strikers and hammer fired guns alike. This is why I’m such a ppq/p320 fan.
 
"Potentially fatal flaw" could be discovered for a lot of firearms if, first of all, the user is completely unfamiliar with their operation. The HK P7 was generally viewed in that light - you must squeeze the grip cocker to fire it, no matter what. That is a grip safety in one intent, another to allow carry with the striker completely unstressed and incapable of any release whatsover.

We have seen other firearms which do pre cock the striker and few are noted for having issues with it. Considering the number of Glocks which shoot owners in the leg, hmm. And despited SIG's earnest effort to certify their P320 someone tested it for days and eventually got it to go off in a way no shooter would likely attempt, dropping it from four feet onto the precise angle and orientation to make the trigger release. BTW, as of this moment no PD uses the military version, the M17, which has a different trigger. The P7 was NJ issue at one time.

Goes to the adoption of a firearm for fleet use, it depends on 1) the ability of the maker to provide thousands under the constraints of a contract, 2) the often specified requirement it be made in the USA, and 3) it conform to the slowly changing mindset of PD armorers, trainers, and buyers who require a long term proven-in-the-field firearm which allows the MINIMUM training as municipal budgets simply only allow the least amount possible. As proven in the latest NY terrorist incident, 9 shots fired 1 hit. A very common ratio.

The XD simply doesn't fit those requirements. The reason Glock often does is that it emulates the manual of arms of the DA revolver that it replaced, and frankly, with the huge increase in new shooters in the last 20 years, good. KISS works very well with a large number of users who are neither expert nor well trained. Like cops, most shooters in the large view don't fire their weapon weekly, and get more lint in them than powder residue from engaging bad guys.

As for badly machined firearms - yup. Plenty of them. Evidence directly pointing to what I said, guns aren't getting field tested enough before production ramps up and we get - ? It's a long list - R51, CZ P10, P320, Ruger LCP gen one, Caracal, and I have every assurance posters could add to that.

Now, compare those to this list - a Kahr CW380 purchased three years after it's introduction, a SIG P938 numbered after 84,000, or a S&W 3Gen 4566 TSW. While the early versions did have some issues, the later guns are generally without those flaws. I am breaking in the reputedly jammomatic Kahr with steel cased ammo and it responds appropriately - it goes bang when I pull the trigger. I don't fault it when it won't lock back on the junk fodder I feed it, because when I put Hornady American Gunner in it there is no flaw. The SIG does equally well ripping cases out with its 9mm extractor, SIG had already stopped using the .380 extractor from its little sister and there is no flaw. The S&W? Used PD gun. Would you believe there are still PD's requiring Smith to supply contract full stainless 3Gen autos? Very few, but still - and so goes the XD, it's probably on lists where counties allow it's carry, or small towns accept it because they aren't buying them guns. If you can qual with it - like the P7 - you carry it. It's up to you and your gun.

Now, does the OP have some bad guns, sure, it happens. But it is for him a case of 1 or 2. It's not a fleet indictment of that make and model across the board like some PD's have done, with stats to back it up that thousands of guns of that precise model are having problems. Frankly, if it is a new model fresh on the market that PD buyer better have some good reason to do it - and most don't. They let someone else be the pioneer because they don't have the staff or facilities to do the testing. Exactly why the S&W autos languished on the market place until the Illinois Highway Patrol actually went thru all the motions on their nickel to really test and examine whether a 9mm auto would be better than a .38 revolver. And they did so proving it to their satisfaction.

The gun had been on the market for 20 years, and after Illinois switched others watched. The cascade of changes then started, with dozens of states and hundreds of cities switching over into the 90's. And who finally beat them out? Glock, with an even cheaper gun with simpler controls.

That doesn't mean it's the best for others, look at the worlds military pistols and one with a thumb safety is the international standard. America is very slow to change when it comes to firearms, the general consensus is that a thumb safety is a potentially fatal part as the user just might forget to take it off and it goes click! when he needs bang! And yet millions of us - American citizens - more than 24 million - have trained with those guns provided by the DOD and we don't have a major issue with it. We learned how to do it. It wasn't a lethal threat to us.

There is a bigger picture, and taking the example of ownership of a few pistols and the user's interaction with them does not mean it's a universal truth. If it doesn't work for someone, ok, don't go there at this place and time in your carry. There are plenty of guns out there which can fit each persons requirements. On the other hand, some can handle the others, or even both. A DAO CCW or a SA safety field pistol. Different strokes for different folks.

We do agree, tho, nobody likes a gun that malfunctions. So, don't buy them. Buy proven designs, not the Gun of the Month, one with a long track record of service.
 
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