Loose Rounds, First Generation (1988) Federal Hydra-Shok .45 ACP 230gr in Clear Gel

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Federal introduced the Hydra-Shok in 1988 and shortly thereafter I purchased my first box from a police supply store. It came in a long 20 round box with the cartridges packaged side by side much like you see with rifle ammo. It was in .45 ACP with nickel plated brass. The Hydra-Shok was one of the first bullet designs to come out to meet the FBI’s new testing standard. It was originally designed by Tom Burczynski and loaded in a .38 Spl. If I remember correctly, he took a hollow base wadcutter, turned it around and stuck a post in the base. The idea was the post would force the fluid outward, enhancing expansion. He later sold the design to federal and went on to design more self-defense ammo.

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When I was going through my box of miscellaneous ammo I found one round of this first generation of .45 ACP 230gr Hydra-Shok left. You will notice the original bullet had a more truncated profile as opposed to the newer rounded style. Also, the post is huge, taking up a large part of the cavity.
Of course, the question is: how will it perform in Clear Gel? I also had one round of the newer design HS and one Remington Golden Saber. All three were shot into the same block of Clear Ballistics Gel at distance of 10 feet.

The older 1988 round in the bare gel had a velocity of 744fps, it penetrated to 16.5 inches but had almost no expansion. Looking at the bullet before shooting it I had a feeling it wouldn’t have much expansion. I have shot enough bullets in the past year or so to know that it didn’t look promising.

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The newer round had a velocity of 976fps (turns out it was 165 grains), it expanded to .72 inches but only penetrated 11 inches.

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The Remington Golden Saber had a velocity of 936fps (185 grains), it expanded to .69 inches and penetrated to 14.5 inches.

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This is an eye-opener for me. I bought a lot of this for a great price years ago and it's what i have been keeping in my HD gun. Back when i got it it was rated as the top load in .45 with a 96% one shot stop in actual shootings. I guess it's not as spectacular as i thought.
Btw, i read somewhere that the center post was actually a remnant of the swaging process and instead of going through an additional step to remove it they decided to save money and keep it and use it as a marketing device. Don't know of that's true but read it in a gun rag "back in the day".

Thanks for the test and the post (pardon the pun!)
 
I dare say that the expansion is as much from the extra velocity as the extra material allowed into the cavity.
That may be worthy of some more testing, if it were worth the time.
Of course, I'm also of the opinion that the 'stud' doesn't actually do much, anyway.
 
How does hydroshocks and Golden Sabre work out in FBI standards for penetration when over penetration in a crowded area is of great concerns? Would an off center hit result in the round going through and through and possibly striking an unintended person? Is the Glasier Safety Slug a better choice? As a Law Enforcement officer you are taught to shoot to terminate the threats or until the target is out of the fight. Is there anything that gives the same performance as hydroshocks or golden Sabre to dump it's energy quickly and not over penetrate. My concern is in a crowded area like a mall, school or church.
 
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Good job with the testing and your write-up! I think I still have some of that original Hydra-Shok ammo in .38 Special around here somewhere.
 
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Good job with the testing and your write-up! I think I still have some of that original Hydra-Shok ammo in .38 Special around here somewhere.

I don't suppose you could take a picture or two if you find them? I'm trying to find some historical info on them but putting the word Hydra -Shok in the search just gets me a bunch of retailers selling it.
 
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As you can see (please forgive the slightly out of focus cell phone photos), the original 20 rounds Hydra-Shok 129 grain jacketed bullet (labeled as +P), had a rather large post in it. The later Low Recoil Hydra-Shok (packaging was now 20 rounds in a clear plastic container), 110 grain jacketed bullet had a relatively small post, maybe a third of the size of the earlier version.

Two original boxes of 9mm., 124 grain and 147 grain, both had what I would consider to be a medium size post, maybe halfway between the the large and small posts. I also have Hydra-Shok ammo in .380 (90 grain-small post), and .45 ACP (230 grain-small post).

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I would have liked to see some of the old CCI .45 flying ashtrays from the late 1980's in ballistic gel. We carried them in our S&W 645's when we transitioned from revolvers. We actually were issued the aluminium cased hollow points at the time.
 
How does hydroshocks and Golden Sabre work out in FBI standards for penetration when over penetration in a crowded area is of great concerns? Would an off center hit result in the round going through and through and possibly striking an unintended person? Is the Glasier Safety Slug a better choice? As a Law Enforcement officer you are taught to shoot to terminate the threats or until the target is out of the fight. Is there anything that gives the same performance as hydroshocks or golden Sabre to dump it's energy quickly and not over penetrate. My concern is in a crowded area like a mall, school or church.

Federal HST is one of the better ones.
 
I've still got several hundred rounds of both the original Federal 147gr Hydra-Shok 9mm, and one of the subsequent revisions of the Federal 230gr Hydra-Shok .45 ACP, left over from the late 80's when I bought it and packed it away in one of my ammo cases. I'd forgotten I still had it until I came across it a couple years ago, unpacking some old cases.

I also have an original red Ammo Wallet of the original all-lead 230gr Hydra-Shok, labeled with the company name and address (in NY), with the original small post (in .45 ACP) and loaded in S&W brass cases. I remember buying it a local specialty ammo store in the 80's. I vaguely remember buying another ammo wallet of it to test-fire in my Commander, as that's what I often carried off-duty in those days. I recall my preferred load being the CCI 200gr JHP (once I found magazines that would feed that short-nosed, wide-mouthed JHP), although I also carried Rem 185gr, the original Hydra-Shok and later on the Federal Hydra-Shok, depending on what was most easily available OTC.

I also used to have some of the Scorpian .38 Spl, but if I remember right I eventually burned those up at the range a long time ago, falling back on the W-W 38SPD 158gr SWCLHP +P load.
 
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