how much force to push cast bullet through cylinder throats???

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I have known that having a good fitting bullet matters. However I just learned how to check if you have the correct size bullet in a revolver by placing the cast bullet in the throat end of the cylinder and see if you can push it through. And if you can do it with a little force then you are probably good to go as it is roughly .001-.002" bigger than the throat of the cylinder and that's what you want.
Well I went and grabbed my Ruger SP101 and some bullets I casted and gave it a go. The bullets I used were tumble lubed and resized. When placing them in the throat of the cylinder it took some force for me to get them to go through. I really don't know how much force but it took some. I pushed them through with the back side of a ball point pen. How much force should I be using to know its not to tight? I didn't need to use a mallet or anything just a good grip on the pen and applied good pressure till it pope through. I even tried it with the ones I powdercoated and it felt the same as the tumbled lubed ones. I dont know the exact size of the bullets or the resizing die I used as they are at a buddys house right now.
 
I figure I should be able to push them through with one finger and not have any discomfort doing it. It should fairly easily go through there. The throats should be about a .001 bigger than a bullet of a correct diameter for the barrel which doesn't make an interference fit.

Yours sounds like their sized right and the tumble lube is making it a little more difficult for you. That is normal, the stuff is sticky.

You will just have to shoot them and see if they are accurate and your not getting leading.

I tried to beat a tumble lubed bullet through the barrel of my SP 101 once so I could mic it. I couldn't get it to start so I added about 5 gr of titegroup to a primed case and shot it into a bucket of water.
That worked, so I pushed that bullet through my throats and it just about fell through. I figured that was good enough. Barrel smaller than throats.
I shoot that SP101 3" barrel 327FM with reduced loads, with those tumble lubed bullets, at 25yds and get about 6" groups, standing and shooting off hand. I expect the load is a lot more accurate than I am.

I think your on the right track.
 
I figure I should be able to push them through with one finger and not have any discomfort doing it. It should fairly easily go through there. The throats should be about a .001 bigger than a bullet of a correct diameter for the barrel which doesn't make an interference fit.

Yours sounds like their sized right and the tumble lube is making it a little more difficult for you. That is normal, the stuff is sticky.

You will just have to shoot them and see if they are accurate and your not getting leading.

I tried to beat a tumble lubed bullet through the barrel of my SP 101 once so I could mic it. I couldn't get it to start so I added about 5 gr of titegroup to a primed case and shot it into a bucket of water.
That worked, so I pushed that bullet through my throats and it just about fell through. I figured that was good enough. Barrel smaller than throats.
I shoot that SP101 3" barrel 327FM with reduced loads, with those tumble lubed bullets, at 25yds and get about 6" groups, standing and shooting off hand. I expect the load is a lot more accurate than I am.

I think your on the right track.
Thanks tiger. I will have to get them to the range to see what happens. Next time I cast some and before I add any type of sticky lube I will try to push them through my cylinder to check fit, good idea thanks .
 
I don't think you can size a lead bullet down by pushing it through a throat by hand. If you can push it without pounding, it's not too tight.
 
I don't think you can size a lead bullet down by pushing it through a throat by hand. If you can push it without pounding, it's not too tight.
Your probably right. I will take one of my Lee liquid Alox tumbled bullets and clean off the lube with acetone to see how they then push through the cylinder throats without all that sticky lube on them.
 
My SP101 had pretty tight throats at 0.3565" to 0.357" that were fine for jacketed bullets, but caused leading issues with cast, especially reduced load cast. I reamed the throats to a consistent 0.358, and that solved the leading issues. Before I reamed them, it took a couple decent "taps" with a small hammer on a wood dowel to get a 0.385" commercial cast bullet through the throat. Now I can push them through with stiff hand pressure on a dowel. I haven't taken the plunge into casting my own just yet, so all that is using commercial cast stuff.
 
I don't think you can size a lead bullet down by pushing it through a throat by hand. If you can push it without pounding, it's not too tight.

I agree, but my post was about whether the chamber throat is swedging down the bullet so it doesn't fit the barrel riflings.

Just because you can force a bullet through the chamber throat by hand doesn't mean it will be the right size for the barrel, that's why we have to ream out the throats so the interference fit of the bullet going through the throats doesn't reduce it's size for the barrel that is on the gun.

I know you know this, I just want you to see the point of view of my post.

It is different for every gun.
The OP may not have a problem at all because of the sticky Alox on the bullet.

And yes, if he has to use a punch to get a properly sized bullet through the cylinder throat, something is wrong with the throat.

If he cleans the alox off his bullet and it goes through the throat with minimal resistance then he should be set unless he has a problem with thread pinch where the barrel screws into the frame. If he still has an accuracy problem then he may want to slug his barrel. If there is a pinched thread problem, it will show up if he slugs his barrel.
 
I agree, but my post was about whether the chamber throat is swedging down the bullet so it doesn't fit the barrel riflings.

I agree with Titegroup, this is the critical measurement, and it seems like the Ruger barrels are a pretty consistent .357 at the rifling, so if you have a throat that is swedging the bullet down to .3565 on the way to the forcing cone, you may end up with leading. I was getting it even with soft HBWC, but jacketed stuff shot just fine. It would definitely be worth checking the barrel, but I would bet it is pretty dead on .357.

All that said, if you get good accuracy and no leading, you are probably good to go.
 
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