Why is Noveske so expensive comparing to the other brands

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Another thing to think about. There is an 11 percent government tax on the sale of complete rifles. So if you really want a Noveske (or again, I'd go KAC in that range) you can save a couple hundred bucks by buying the upper and lower (what is actually considered the "firearm") separately.
 
C-grunt said:
Another thing to think about. There is an 11 percent government tax on the sale of complete rifles. So if you really want a Noveske (or again, I'd go KAC in that range) you can save a couple hundred bucks by buying the upper and lower (what is actually considered the "firearm") separately.
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I looked at my previous rifle orders placed at Cabela's which got cancelled due to out of stock, there is 8.25% sales tax without additional 11% government tax...
 
rst said:
I looked at my previous rifle orders placed at Cabela's which got cancelled due to out of stock, there is 8.25% sales tax without additional 11% government tax...
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the rifle maker pays the tax and adds the cost onto the MSRP that you pay, if I understand it correctly. So you may not "see" the tax but it is paid one way or the other.
 
Browning said:
They have some .. interesting gunmercials.









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What the heck. I feel like I lost a chromosome watching that.

Never Noveske for me. BCM or I gotta be the guy that says "Colt le6920".

Or if your not building, just for range fun, pick up a Ruger or a Smith and call it a day.
 
I decide to build one AR15 for my own. I am very excited. I will start with an Aero lower with Geissele SSA-E trigger, a complete BCM upper, Troy folding iron sights. Do I need some tools to drill holes or some hardware work? I hope not:)
 
I like bcm and use a lot of their parts. But what I don’t like about their uppers is they stick too close to mil spec and mostly keep the carbine length gas when I prefer midlength. They are also really fond of iron sights and the front sight block when I prefer a pinned low profile under a rail. Plus they made one of my fav rails ever which was their kmr rail. Perfect size. Super lightweight magnesium aluminum alloy. Then they switched to the kmr alpha which is just aluminum. At least it’s cheap. I think I have 3 of the kmr and buy them when I see them. Idk why I’m going off on tangents. Bcm makes good uppers. They just rarely have the config I like in stock


Edit: well I just went and checked and they have some pretty awesome configs in stock. Price isn’t bad! I especially like this one except for the rail being -a.
https://bravocompanyusa.com/bcm-mk2...receiver-group-w-kmr-a15-handguard-1-8-twist/
 
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I found this lower receiver at cabela's for $49.99. Is it good?

https://www.cabelas.com/product/ANDERSON-STRIPPED-LOWER-RECIEVER/2387970.uts?slotId=0

Anderson Manufacturing Stripped Lower Receiver
Multicaliber
Built from high-strength, 7075 T6 aluminum
Mil-spec, hard-anodized finish for abrasion resistance
Build your ultimate mission-specific AR rifle or carbine around Anderson Manufacturing's Stripped Lower Receiver. Anderson Manufacturing delivers custom-shop quality without the custom-shop price. Built from high-strength, 7075 T6 aluminum, the receiver ensures reliable performance and outstanding durability. A mil-spec, hard-anodized finish adds extra strength to the receiver walls and enhances abrasion resistance for rugged field use. Precision machining allows drop-in installation of mil-spec, aftermarket components. Uses 3/4" grip screw.
 
there is a lot of name hype, not that they are not a quality brand. I have heard about tight magwells, and seem to remember a response floating around the internet with a not so friendly response. A big part is that some shops are more efficient than others, and no one is getting rich, but prices are still higher. Is someone buys a CNC shop at a bankruptcy auction for $1,000,000 they can turn out excellent AR's for $400, but that doesn't mean the smaller guys are making $1400 in profit. But if you want to see why they stay in business selling at 5X the cost of PSA/DTI, go over to AR15.com and ask the 40 round a year fanboys why their BCM/Noveske/FN/HK are better, and they just may shoot 41 rounds that year :rofl: Again, not that they're not great, but fanboy culture is just as intense as 'exclusivity' culture. Go hang out at a Audi, or Mercedes dealer, and listen to they guys getting yet another repair talk about how much better their car is than a Toyota. Hi end rifles are awesome, but I have beat the hell out of a M&A rifle for 15 years, and its never let me down. I shot the best Iron's group of my life, 1.060 at 100 with a $600 DTI kit, and yes it's reliable.
 
taliv said:
I like bcm and use a lot of their parts. But what I don’t like about their uppers is they stick too close to mil spec and mostly keep the carbine length gas when I prefer midlength. They are also really fond of iron sights and the front sight block when I prefer a pinned low profile under a rail. Plus they made one of my fav rails ever which was their kmr rail. Perfect size. Super lightweight magnesium aluminum alloy. Then they switched to the kmr alpha which is just aluminum. At least it’s cheap. I think I have 3 of the kmr and buy them when I see them. Idk why I’m going off on tangents. Bcm makes good uppers. They just rarely have the config I like in stock


Edit: well I just went and checked and they have some pretty awesome configs in stock. Price isn’t bad! I especially like this one except for the rail being -a.
https://bravocompanyusa.com/bcm-mk2...receiver-group-w-kmr-a15-handguard-1-8-twist/
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I also like midlength.
 
rst said:
I found this lower receiver at cabela's for $49.99. Is it good?

https://www.cabelas.com/product/ANDERSON-STRIPPED-LOWER-RECIEVER/2387970.uts?slotId=0

Anderson Manufacturing Stripped Lower Receiver
Multicaliber
Built from high-strength, 7075 T6 aluminum
Mil-spec, hard-anodized finish for abrasion resistance
Build your ultimate mission-specific AR rifle or carbine around Anderson Manufacturing's Stripped Lower Receiver. Anderson Manufacturing delivers custom-shop quality without the custom-shop price. Built from high-strength, 7075 T6 aluminum, the receiver ensures reliable performance and outstanding durability. A mil-spec, hard-anodized finish adds extra strength to the receiver walls and enhances abrasion resistance for rugged field use. Precision machining allows drop-in installation of mil-spec, aftermarket components. Uses 3/4" grip screw.
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yes these are fine, they're the famous 'poverty ponies' you hear about. AR''s feedramps are in the barrel, so all recievers will be reliable, unless they're way off. AR's put virtually zero stress on the lower, so unless its total junk it will be durable. Anderson's are a good quality anyway, and claim to be the OEM for some name brands. Theres complaints they take a special grip screw, but its just a standard military screw.... its a Magpul grip screw that doesn't fit I think. Some do have full threads through. One of mine had holes drilled after anodizing for reason's I have no idea, but the other didn't. One had a full grip screw thread and one didn't. They seem to have different manufacturing lines. Both receivers work fine.
 
I wouldn't buy an Anderson. I've personally had issues with them and have seen many issues with them. My late friend Will Larson, brought up earlier in this thread also, used to teach an armorers class around the county and saw many rifles over the years. He would say that he saw more out of spec Anderson lowers than every other brand put together.

That doesn't mean you won't get a good one. If it's good, it's good. But Anderson has a reputation of bad QC. I'd spend another 40 bucks and buy an Aero or Spikes stripped lower if you are wanting to build your own.
 
I wouldn’t buy an Anderson either.

I’d just stick with buying a BCM lower or get an Aero and do your own build.
 
Gordon said:
Aero is a prime manufacturer= meaning they are one of half a dozen forgers of the Milspec stuff , their stuff is uniformly good and an be had on sale often . They are a good base to start with to add the goodies to. I like ACOGs , just remember the tritium capsules don't last forever and in my own experience nothing is worth paying a super high premium for and being told it's not worth renewing the capsule. Get the new Trigicon battery powered ones some of which also have ambient light tubes which make them super brite (yes most tritium ones have light tubes, but when the tritium goes dim in 6 years you don't have the illumination you bought the sight for :( )
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Got you. Try to avoid tritium powered Trijicon.
 
rst said:
I looked at my previous rifle orders placed at Cabela's which got cancelled due to out of stock, there is 8.25% sales tax without additional 11% government tax...
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1KPerDay said:
the rifle maker pays the tax and adds the cost onto the MSRP that you pay, if I understand it correctly. So you may not "see" the tax but it is paid one way or the other.
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It's a excise tax. It's not paid at the consumer level, just like the excise tax on tires or fishing equipment, or any number of things.
 
@rst, since no one has addressed what you wrote, yes, there are specialty tools you absolutely should have, yes, there are common tools you will need, no, if you avoid “80%” lowers there are no holes to be drilled.

Asking which lower receiver is “good” is like asking who makes the best cars, you’ll have many and varied opinions, most not based in fact. If I were answering based on ownership both the Anderson and Aero are fine lowers. Perhaps others will disagree and dredge up a 4 year old video not related to lowers to counter my experience.

Below are a few of my personal ARs with the uppers removed. I’ve got a shiny new quarter for anyone who can correctly list the roll marks in order and how many failures each has had (and yes, all have been fired, from 600-7,000 rounds each). As a head start, I’ll answer the second half: 0 failures to date. My real point being that spending $300 on a Noveske vs $24.99 on an Anderson is money spent for reasons other than reliability.

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Skylerbone said:
@rst, since no one has addressed what you wrote, yes, there are specialty tools you absolutely should have, yes, there are common tools you will need, no, if you avoid “80%” lowers there are no holes to be drilled.

Asking which lower receiver is “good” is like asking who makes the best cars, you’ll have many and varied opinions, most not based in fact. If I were answering based on ownership both the Anderson and Aero are fine lowers. Perhaps others will disagree and dredge up a 4 year old video not related to lowers to counter my experience.

Below are a few of my personal ARs with the uppers removed. I’ve got a shiny new quarter for anyone who can correctly list the roll marks in order and how many failures each has had (and yes, all have been fired, from 600-7,000 rounds each). As a head start, I’ll answer the second half: 0 failures to date. My real point being that spending $300 on a Noveske vs $24.99 on an Anderson is money spent for reasons other than reliability.

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This is so cool... Are you own an arsenal?
 
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