Why is Noveske so expensive comparing to the other brands

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Rather than have this turn into another argument that some are attempting to resurrect over hurt feelings I’d just urge the OP to do his homework on Anderson lowers.

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=anderson+ar+lowers+any+good

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=anderson+ar+15+lower+issues

https://www.google.com/search?q=pro...pAhWEop4KHfyhC3kQBSgAegQICRAC&biw=375&bih=553

I’d more go middle ground and get Aero for a economy build (especially considering the price vs the lowest common denominator) or just get whatever brand lower that you’re buying for an upper (BCM lower for BCM upper, Noveske lower for Noveske upper etc).

Up to you though.
 
At one time I wanted to build a 1911 full-size 45ACP. When I got to pricing out the parts that I wanted in the gun I realized I could buy a better one already made for less money. So I said why bother. Went out and bought a top end Kimber and have never looked back.
 
There are some good suggestions on this thread about alternatives to a $2,000 AR. Keep in mind that you are going to have to buy sights, a red dot, or a scope (or some combination of those) in addition to spare magazines and ammunition. If I were buying my first long gun and had settled on an AR, I'd want to spend $1,000 to $1,200 to have money left over to buy those. BCM or Colt (I think Daniel Defense is north of $1,200 now and starting to illustrate the law of diminishing returns) would be good choices to look into.
 
1KPerDay said:
Get a BCM, an aimpoint and a couple cases of ammo. IMO
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OP, you could probably spend the next three months going down the AR rabbit hole and find yourself with a case of analysis paralysis or just follow the advice above. Obviously, it doesn't have to be a BCM, but a $1200 AR is more than likely going to be a $1200 AR, which is entirely adequate for your purposes.
 
I’m glad I had the pleasure of training with the original M-16. Nam era rifles. That is the baseline gun. Find me a rifle weighing 6.5 lbs that can hit 300 meters all day after being abused by Soldiers for years on end. That is with the iron sights. They rarely fail. What would one cost today?
 
army_eod said:
Find me a rifle weighing 6.5 lbs that can hit 300 meters all day after being abused by Soldiers for years on end. That is with the iron sights. They rarely fail. What would one cost today?
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$956 at Buds.
https://www.budsgunshop.com/product...ry+r20gvta4s-7+govt+rifle+sa+223+rem/556+nato

Or you could just build an accurate modern AR with practical upgrades that also doesn’t weigh a ton for $500-$700 with a 3 1/2 lb trigger and adjustable LOP instead of a ”milspec” copy.


With MBUS sights and RDS. 6 lbs 2.4 oz
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Bare rifle, 5 lbs 5.6 oz
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I too have a Daniel Defense & it is awesome. I have the M4 V5 chambered in 300BLK. If I had to I’d buy it again. You will not be disappointed with either I’m sure.
 
All great info. Thanks. Does anyone have suggestions on a silencer/suppressor? Is AAC M4-2000 Mod 08 a good buy?
https://www.advanced-armament.com/M4-2000_p_409.html

According to the red dot and optics, I just bought this Eotech G33/EXPS3-4 combination for $1180, I don't really like the EXPS3-4 for having 4 dots instead of 1 but one should be able to get used to it according to the reviews. I looked at ACOG, but I don't like the 1.5x for the red dot. For the combination, at least I could have the option to use the 3X optical or not. I understand it could increase the additional weight to the rifle. Really tough decisions.
https://www.cabelas.com/product/EOTech-EXPS-Sight-with-G-Magnifier-Combo/1379577.uts?slotId=1
 
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I personally don’t have any suggestions on a suppressor. Sorry, I’m sure one of the other guys can help you.

On the optic, am I understanding that you already bought that combo? I hope that’s a typo on the dollar amount if so.

I’d personally more shove you in the direction on a Steiner 1-4x P4Xi
https://www.opticsplanet.com/steiner-1-4x24mm-p4xi-30mm-tactical-riflescope.html

A Trijicon Credo 1-6
https://www.eurooptic.com/Trijicon-...-Dot-BDC-Hunter-Holds-223-30mm-Satin-Bla.aspx

A Trijicon TA33
https://www.opticsplanet.com/trijic...pe-scope-w-horseshoe-dot-7-62x36-reticle.html

An Aimpoint Pro
https://www.larue.com/products/aimpoint-pro-patrol-rifle-optic-w-mount/

An Aimpoint T2 with a La Rue mount
https://www.larue.com/products/aimpoint-micro-t-2-2moa-m4-qd-mount-combo/

My reasoning is I’ve had shooting partners who’ve run those EOTech’s with the magnifier. I feel like it’s limited and dated technology.

On the LPVO’s if you need more magnification on the back end you dial it up quickly. With the ACOG it’s there already and you get used to shooting closer targets on higher magnification.

On the flip side if you want a dot the Aimpoint Pro is a lower cost alternative and the T2 is the lightest option on there. The battery life on the Aimpoints also runs all over the EOTechs.

I’ve owned two EOTechs before, I sold them to get something else. I’d personally skip them unless you want a dot, but you need a holographic image due to an astigmatism or something of that nature. Even then I’d go with something else, but I’d get it then. Plus the majority of the time you’re running it with the magnifier flipped over. Seemed like sort of a goofy solution.
 
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Wow, it looks like the thread has gained some traction.

Not including the optic and some elaborate trigger (I'm a fan of Geissele), I don't think I've spent more than $600 on any AR I've built for myself. Good barrel, good bolt group. Everything else, just take your pick as long as it's "milspec."
 
Browning said:
I personally don’t have any suggestions on a suppressor. Sorry, I’m sure one of the other guys can help you.

On the optic, am I understanding that you already bought that combo? I hope that’s a typo on the dollar amount if so.

I’d personally more shove you in the direction on a Steiner 1-4x P4Xi
https://www.opticsplanet.com/steiner-1-4x24mm-p4xi-30mm-tactical-riflescope.html

A Trijicon Credo 1-6
https://www.eurooptic.com/Trijicon-...-Dot-BDC-Hunter-Holds-223-30mm-Satin-Bla.aspx

A Trijicon TA33
https://www.opticsplanet.com/trijic...pe-scope-w-horseshoe-dot-7-62x36-reticle.html

An Aimpoint Pro
https://www.larue.com/products/aimpoint-pro-patrol-rifle-optic-w-mount/

An Aimpoint T2 with a La Rue mount
https://www.larue.com/products/aimpoint-micro-t-2-2moa-m4-qd-mount-combo/

My reasoning is I’ve had shooting partners who’ve run those EOTech’s with the magnifier. I feel like it’s limited and dated technology.

On the LPVO’s if you need more magnification on the back end you dial it up quickly. With the ACOG it’s there already and you get used to shooting closer targets on higher magnification.

On the flip side if you want a dot the Aimpoint Pro is a lower cost alternative and the T2 is the lightest option on there. The battery life on the Aimpoints also runs all over the EOTechs.

I’ve owned two EOTechs before, I sold them to get something else. I’d personally skip them unless you want a dot, but you need a holographic image due to an astigmatism or something of that nature. Even then I’d go with something else, but I’d get it then. Plus the majority of the time you’re running it with the magnifier flipped over. Seemed like sort of a goofy solution.
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The Aimpoint Micro T-2 looks nice! I did make mistake on the price I paid for that Eotech combination, already corrected it in my previous post. I have not received it yet, will compare it with Aimpoint and then decide which one to go. I ordered Eotech because of the show Seal Team by CBS. Almost all of the seals in that show have the Eotech mounted on their rifle:)
 
Okay, cool.

I was hoping you didn’t get ripped off.

They were real popular during that time period when a lot of those shows got made. Everyone I knew ran one for at least a little while.
 
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Browning said:
Okay, cool.

I was hoping you didn’t get ripped off.

They were real popular during that time period when a lot of those shows got made. Everyone I knew ran one for at least a little while.
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There are various mounts for Aimpoint Micro T-2 at the website. Any mount works? Thanks.
 
@rst

Here is a good video from Chuck Pressburg on that optic combo. Chuck is a decorated Army Ranger who spent some time in the AWG. He's got a lot of real world trigger time.

 
remingtonfan said:
Quick question if you dont mind: Why is 18" or longer too long for LE work?
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I wouldn't say its "too long" but a shorter 16 inch barrel is definitely going to give better maneuverability indoors and will still easily reach out to any realistic LE engagement distance. Hell you could make a good argument for a 10.3 or 11.5 inch barrel. Though for general purpose use I think a good 14.5 or 16 inch barrel is going to give a flatter trajectory at intermediate ranges and better terminal ballistics.
 
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