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Found my favorite bullets at Midway, finally...

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Trey Veston

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I love the Hornady XTP bullet for my .40 S&W, 10mm, and .45 Colt woods loads. They are consistently the most accurate bullet I use and I think they do well for defense against wolves and black bears and two-legged critters.

Back before the world went crazy, I could get a box of 100 at WalMart in 180 grain .400 flavor for $19.99. LGS had them for $21.00. The .452 250 grain was $24.00 per 100.

Haven't seen them at either place or online for nearly a year.

Then was on Midway's website buying AICS .308 mags for a new rifle and thought I'd check for any XTPs in stock. They actually had both flavors in stock! I added them to my cart without thinking and hurried to checkout. Then I noticed the prices. $34 for the .400 and $36 for the .452. Plus $13 for shipping two boxes of bullets.

Couldn't do it. I still have a couple of hundred left of each and I just can't pay that much for bullets. My LGS has yet to raise prices to crazy levels on the ammo and reloading supplies they manage to get in, so I figure they should be getting some XTPs back in stock, soon. Saw they had some Hornady rifle bullets show up last week, so I'm sure the XTPs will arrive shortly.

It hurt to remove them from my cart, but I'm hoping more reloaders are doing the same as me and waiting for prices to come back down closer to reality.

Not expecting pre-pandemic prices, but not paying a 50% increase, either.
 
Flycaster1977 said:
I dont know that they are gonna come down anytime soon. These sellers have discovered that folks will pay more for the products that they want.
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I'm hearing the opposite from my friends and fellow gun owners. Of course, none of them are new shooters and have been through a couple of these shortages before. They know that patience is a virtue and paying panic prices is only going to prolong the pain.

The only people I know that are paying $1 per round for 9mm and 5.56 are guys at work that bought their first AR or Glock and wanted 1000 rounds of ammo for each. They had no concept of what "normal" was, so they just figured they had to pay the asking price. Which, technically, they did since they had no ammo.

Talked to one guy I went to high school with that bought a new .40 S&W pistol and wanted to know if I could spare any factory ammo. I told him most of my ammo is my reloads. Turns out, he had more factory ammo than I did. He had just paid $900 for a case of Speer Lawman target ammo. Told him I don't sell or trade any of my reloads to non-family members.

So, I think it depends on just how much the new shooters decide to settle down. Based on my circle of experienced shooters, we are waiting things out, but with all of the new shooters, you may be right that they will continue to keep prices high.
 
Have you considered that President Biden is going to do as he vowed, make it illegal to buy ammo through themail ? Would this extend to components as well ? I don't know. Still my stock pile will most likley increase.
 
Im glad my favourite bullets are commercial cast, still hard to get but at least its less eye watering when I get to check out.

Im shocked XTPs are going that high though im about to start loading 454 casull and I wanted the magnum xtps to load up a good load.
 
As always if you are in a position to play the waiting game things will calm down in the long run. That said more cost for raw materials, labor to make them components or ammo, and transportation cost will always be on the rise. Wait for an acceptable low price or sale, buy and stack deep. This is a good hedge against paying more.
 
I’ve paid some “pretty high to me” prices recently. But I’m at a point I don’t think shipping and/or HazMat fees are in my future anymore.

Took some time and money to get there but unless I buy and start loading for a new caliber, I’m good.

On that note, have you noticed the cost of new 33 Nosler brass?
 
The only good news is as long as your not buying forign steel case garbage, every dime stays in the American economy. The price increases while painful helps strengthen our stores suppliers and manufacturers. That's the only ray of sunshine in this storm.
 
Slowly, in fits and starts, some stuff is beginning to reappear.

Just used my birthday discount at Midway the other day. Problem was they had nearly nothing in stock that I wanted. Had some speed strips and that was about it. Just before I gave up on the idea they got Lee six-cav mold handles in so I bought four at $16 each and free shipping! Still not nearly what I would have ordered otherwise, but better than simply giving up altogether.

Now if the backordered Saeco mold will ever come in. When I included that one in the order the projected ship date was July 7th. Yesterday's email extended it to September 9th. One day it will ship (I hope).
 
There are shortages of lots of things right now due to people not working because of covid, which exacerbates the run on all things gun because of the political climate.

It will all come around, be patient and don’t buy things you don’t “have to have”, and even slow up on that if you can.
 
Walkalong said:
It will all come around
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I have no doubt about that, except expect a permanent bump in prices on everything. It's inevitable after every loading component shortage.

Another thought, I took some scrap to the recycle yard last weekend. Copper was $3.30/lb. and brass $1.70. I got $120 for a 3/4 full 5 gal. bucket of casings and brass plumbing fittings!

The increase in ammunition prices might not be all gouging but the cost of materials too.
 
Dunross said:
Just used my birthday discount at Midway the other day. Problem was they had nearly nothing in stock that I wanted. .
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I had the same problem at Midway last month. The birthday discount was burning a hole in my pocket. Everything I wanted was out of stock. Finally I found a nice scope and could not get the discount to work. Went on chat with them and finally was told that the item was not subject to birthday discount. I was more than a little bummed but put my wallet away.
 
Laphroaig said:
The increase in ammunition prices might not be all gouging but the cost of materials too.
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That tends to be cyclical as well, but I get it, everything tends to go up over time. We have seen crazy increases in all things we buy over the last decade for reasons which are off topic here.
 
gifbohane said:
I had the same problem at Midway last month. The birthday discount was burning a hole in my pocket. Everything I wanted was out of stock. Finally I found a nice scope and could not get the discount to work. Went on chat with them and finally was told that the item was not subject to birthday discount. I was more than a little bummed but put my wallet away.
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Ooh, I hate the fine print. Was set to buy a personal locator at REI and all electronics were excluded from the offer. Didn't need 20% off socks so I left with nothing that day.
 
I did not make the best use of my Birthday Discount in 2021, but at least I used it this year.
 
Laphroaig said:
I have no doubt about that, except expect a permanent bump in prices on everything. It's inevitable after every loading component shortage.

Another thought, I took some scrap to the recycle yard last weekend. Copper was $3.30/lb. and brass $1.70. I got $120 for a 3/4 full 5 gal. bucket of casings and brass plumbing fittings!

The increase in ammunition prices might not be all gouging but the cost of materials too.
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That's much better than what I got for steel. Had two 5 gal. buckets of steel (steel wheel weights and left over clips from WWs). 217 lbs. got me $24. But I reclaimed about 200 lbs. of cleaned lead.
 
Laphroaig said:
The increase in ammunition prices might not be all gouging but the cost of materials too.
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There are a number of factors... cost of raw material, cost of production, cost of transportation... all of which are in a shortage right now. Raw material is a given; I regularly take scrap to the recyclers... copper tubing, copper wire, dead motors, etc... and the prices can go from 'why bother' to 'dream vacation' from year to year. Hopefully prices are on the rise... I'm fixing to take another load next week. Production is another facet... if these manufacturers are running 24/7, that translates to more employees, and/or overtime for the existing employees... that doesn't happen overnight, nor is it cheap. Transportation... we are in a transportation shortage right now, not only shipping of raw materials, but finished product, too. Further, ammo and components are heavy... I picked up a load at Remington in Lonoke, AR many years ago... 44000# of ammo was barely 18 pallets, if memory serves.

As demand diminishes, the price is likely to come down, but given the current political climate, I think demand will still be quite strong for a while, yet.
 
$34 for the .400 and $36 for the .452. Plus $13 for shipping two boxes of bullets.
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A few years back that is what got me into casting my own bullets. I was loading for a 454 and with limited jacketed rounds, similar pricing but usually only getting 50 for the 300gr or the Mag version.
 
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