Winchester bullet coal

Pat73 · Jul 25, 2021

Good afternoon. I bought some Winchester 44 caliber 240 gr HSP.

When doing a dummy round at the standard coal of 1,610", i see much of the cannelure remain exposed. Since i did not receive any responses from Winchester, i'm asking for your advices.

Should i load these bullets at 1,600" just like the XTP?

The powder will be W296 with CCI 350 and Starline brass.

I will use the bullet in my Big Boy for white tail and black bear.

Please look at the pictures.

Thank you.

rg1 · Jul 25, 2021

I'd load them to 1.590" to 1.600" or even to mid-cannelure to insure a better crimp. Is your new brass shorter than spec? Should cause no issues with pressure or feeding loaded a little shorter unless you are at the ragged edge of high pressure. I have reloaded XTP's from the past to 1.590" using Win 296 and CCi 350.

Walkalong · Jul 25, 2021

Load them at whatever OAL puts the case mouth rolled into the center of the canellure.
That's your OAL for that bullet at your brass length.
Start low, as you work towards max adjust from the book data as you see fit to adjust it to a shorter/longer OAL than it used.

Medium Plus Roll Crimp .44 Mag - 240 Gr Magtech JSP Pic 1.JPG

edwardware · Jul 25, 2021

You should seat to the cannelure, and check plunk and feeding in the gun.

Pat73 · Jul 25, 2021

rg1 said:
I'd load them to 1.590" to 1.600" or even to mid-cannelure to insure a better crimp. Is your new brass shorter than spec? Should cause no issues with pressure or feeding loaded a little shorter unless you are at the ragged edge of high pressure. I have reloaded XTP's from the past to 1.590" using Win 296 and CCi 350.

They are between 1,275" and 1,285". I did not trim any of them yet.

Pat73 · Jul 25, 2021

Thank you everyone.

I was asking because because i was concerned with pressure level with coal less than 1,610".

As with any new components, i will begin with starting grains and slowly head toward maximum grains.

Walkalong · Jul 25, 2021

Pat73 said:
i was concerned with pressure level with coal less than 1,610".

It won't be much less in a big case, just really ease up on max if you don't find what your looking for before you get to max. We often do find it before max.

CoalCrackerAl · Jul 25, 2021

If i recall right. Hornady brass is a little short. They do ''grow' as you shoot them. Just something to keep in mind when working with brass.

mdi · Jul 25, 2021

I started reloading revolver ammo in 1969. I figgered the bullet designers knew where to locate the crimp groove/cannelure so I just seated bullets to the groove/cannelure and disregarded book OAL (and the variations in OAL for specific bullets from manual to manual didn't fit and none matched what I was getting). I reload for 5 different revolver calibers in 8 guns and still seat to the groove/cannalure. I have had zero problems, and produced some very accurate loads (one of my best was a consistent sub 2" groups from my Dan Wesson 44H @ about 30 yds. with hefty magnum loads and cast bullets seated to the crimp groove with a ??? OAL)...

PS; all, yes all my handloads started with a book min and were worked up. Never any variances in pressures with "my" OALs...

ArchAngelCD · Jul 26, 2021

CoalCrackerAl said:
If i recall right. Hornady brass is a little short. They do ''grow' as you shoot them. Just something to keep in mind when working with brass.

Only the brass which is used for loading their FTX bullet is slightly shorter. Not all their other bullets like the XTP.

@Pat73 for the most part the COAL listed in load data is useless when loading a bullet with a canellure. The canellureis set by the manufacturer which is correct for that bullet. Like said above, seat the case so the mouth of the case is crimped in the center of the canellure of the bullet you're loading. Also like said above, the difference of one one hundredth of an inch is such a large cast won't be a problem.

Relax and have fun shooting your new ammo...

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