Brubz
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I am curious what handgun is most frequently used by police officers in the United States today?
I am curious what handgun is most frequently used by police officers in the United States today?
If the Glock design works as well as any newcomers, and parts are in stock and armorers trained on their internals, why change?Glock, as they have been able to displace the 3rd Gen Smiths since the 1990's.
Fast moving up, SIG with their lineup, and the P320 in particular. Based on the number of complaints by officers who mishandle their new SIGs - the same phenomenom Glock suffered in the late 90s thru now - it would appear that SIG is taking a lot of LEO contracts away as the fleet of Glocks in the field are aging. Since SIG's P320 is now the leading edge of tech in firearms with it's FCU and ability of the user to change grip units to make it fit their needs, every day Glock drags it's feet is another sale lost.
They are currently protesting the Canadian contract to replace Browning Hipowers by claiming it's preferential because it requires FCU's. Glock would know as contracts were let with provisions for their design to be preferential, too, and it's how they got where they are today. Marketing has sold the design well, SIG has elevated theirs, and it's a vicious fight to see who will win.
It doesn't help that Glock is now using a 40 year old design which is stale, with no major improvements forecast for it. They have become the 1911 of the 21st century. Adored, "reliable," and trusted, with a lot of aftermarket support for the foreseeable future. That doesn't make them the sharp tip of firearms design anymore, it makes them the gun of the older generations. That "F" word we haven't invented yet to describe those 35-55 now who are becoming static in their buying habits and basically a Glock generation.
Comes around goes around.
Agreed.. Sooner or later and slowly but surely Glock will loose market shares.Glock, as they have been able to displace the 3rd Gen Smiths since the 1990's.
Fast moving up, SIG with their lineup, and the P320 in particular. Based on the number of complaints by officers who mishandle their new SIGs - the same phenomenom Glock suffered in the late 90s thru now - it would appear that SIG is taking a lot of LEO contracts away as the fleet of Glocks in the field are aging. Since SIG's P320 is now the leading edge of tech in firearms with it's FCU and ability of the user to change grip units to make it fit their needs, every day Glock drags it's feet is another sale lost.
They are currently protesting the Canadian contract to replace Browning Hipowers by claiming it's preferential because it requires FCU's. Glock would know as contracts were let with provisions for their design to be preferential, too, and it's how they got where they are today. Marketing has sold the design well, SIG has elevated theirs, and it's a vicious fight to see who will win.
It doesn't help that Glock is now using a 40 year old design which is stale, with no major improvements forecast for it. They have become the 1911 of the 21st century. Adored, "reliable," and trusted, with a lot of aftermarket support for the foreseeable future. That doesn't make them the sharp tip of firearms design anymore, it makes them the gun of the older generations. That "F" word we haven't invented yet to describe those 35-55 now who are becoming static in their buying habits and basically a Glock generation.
Comes around goes around.
A 40 yr old design that works....I really like my Glock. As my wife can attest...looks ain’t everything.Glock, as they have been able to displace the 3rd Gen Smiths since the 1990's.
Fast moving up, SIG with their lineup, and the P320 in particular. Based on the number of complaints by officers who mishandle their new SIGs - the same phenomenom Glock suffered in the late 90s thru now - it would appear that SIG is taking a lot of LEO contracts away as the fleet of Glocks in the field are aging. Since SIG's P320 is now the leading edge of tech in firearms with it's FCU and ability of the user to change grip units to make it fit their needs, every day Glock drags it's feet is another sale lost.
They are currently protesting the Canadian contract to replace Browning Hipowers by claiming it's preferential because it requires FCU's. Glock would know as contracts were let with provisions for their design to be preferential, too, and it's how they got where they are today. Marketing has sold the design well, SIG has elevated theirs, and it's a vicious fight to see who will win.
It doesn't help that Glock is now using a 40 year old design which is stale, with no major improvements forecast for it. They have become the 1911 of the 21st century. Adored, "reliable," and trusted, with a lot of aftermarket support for the foreseeable future. That doesn't make them the sharp tip of firearms design anymore, it makes them the gun of the older generations. That "F" word we haven't invented yet to describe those 35-55 now who are becoming static in their buying habits and basically a Glock generation.
Comes around goes around.
I believe the Glock 22 .40 cal is standard issue now at LAPD.Is the LAPD still leaning on the Beretta 92-series?
Which is precisely how natural monopolies are formed from coincidental mergers and acquisitions. Vista Outdoors is a prime example of a natural monopoly in the process of evolving.It's likely that somewhere in the neighborhood of 75-80% of police officers carry a Glock. Pareto's Law of Distribution holds that in any creative endeavor (such as the production and sale of handguns), approximately 20% of the producers will account for 80% of the production. This is a statistical estimate and not reliant on empirical data and it would be interesting to collect and map the data to see how accurate the estimate is. Be that as it may, it is indisputable that Glock is the dominant producer and equipment provider to police departments.
In a broader sense, once you become aware of the Pareto Principle (also called Matthew's Law in the bible, "he who has much will be given more,") the world in general becomes more comprehensible.
I'm pretty sure but not positive that, at this point, most (or at least many) of the Glocks sold to government purchasers in the US are made in America.I'm wondering if the recent uptick in "Buy American" rhetoric from politicians will be a help to Smith & Wesson and their M&P Shield.
Or is it just about dollars and cents and service agreements?
I've noticed that most of the sheriffs here in Hillsborough county Florida have been carrying FN pistols lately.
I have read that Glock was kind of notorious for giving high trade in values on a departments old guns, mags & holsters in the past with large contracts. They figured out the filter down effect. Supply a large city with X model, then many of the small departments nearby want the same. Better yet if they can supply a State Police agency, as it is seen as a big OK for that model by many smaller agencies. Of course the smaller outfits aren't treated so generouslyMany Departments here have replaced the Glocks with the S&W M&P series, largely because they are cheaper and subsidized the purchase with ridiculous trade-in values.