NRA Dissolution Suit Development

Shows that the NRA doesn't care about the members interests.

Fascinating twist. I think the membership is the real loser here. Dedicated, dues paying, and generally somewhat politically aware. LaPierre really screwed us, and I for one hope he can pay and the NRA can thrive at the same time.

A little glimmer of hope. Was really starting to get worried after the NRA credit card was shut down and then NRA Carry Guard. Maybe the NRA will survive after all. Fingers crossed.

<--- NRA Life Member (Benefactor Level)

BryanDavis said:

Maybe the NRA will survive after all.

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And, maybe it will survive being dissolved.
Being dissolved is potentially better than the current "death by a thousand cuts."

The fallout from dissolution is like to be vast an unexpected. NRA training & facilities are mandated in many jurisdictions (particularly NYS, not the Leticia cares) and dissolving the NRA eliminates that training & those facilities.

We are all agreed that WLP and his cadre have long outstayed their welcome, and gone from annoyance to detriment.

Yes, dissolving the NRA would be an interesting precedent.
I wonder what other controversial organizations or businesses that were organized under the auspices of the state or federal government or now accept state or federal money to serve the public might find themselves being treated similarly?

CapnMac said:

And, maybe it will survive being dissolved.
Being dissolved is potentially better than the current "death by a thousand cuts."

The fallout from dissolution is like to be vast an unexpected. NRA training & facilities are mandated in many jurisdictions (particularly NYS, not the Leticia cares) and dissolving the NRA eliminates that training & those facilities.

We are all agreed that WLP and his cadre have long outstayed their welcome, and gone from annoyance to detriment.

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I don't get this approach. Do you really think Letitia James is going to care if people can't get proper firearms training after the NRA is dissolved? She doesn't care about nor represent NRA members.

Maybe it will make the papers and cause some backlash, but the NRA will be long gone. Perhaps another organization like FPC, GOA, 2nd Amendment Foundation can try to fill that void. But when all is said and done, I want more 2A supporting organizations not less.

First, the anti-gun successfully shut down NRA's credit card program, then NRA's Carry Guard program and now this. What happens when NYS goes after whatever gun-rights organization takes the lead?

You're throwing the baby out with the bathwater here.

BryanDavis said:

Do you really think Letitia James is going to care if people can't get proper firearms training after the NRA is dissolved?

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She clearly does not care, that's obvious.
She does not care that no hunters will be able to get Hunter Training; that LEO will not get NRA training for certification, that ranges used and certified (and insured) by NRA will be left hanging in the wind.

The problem is that WLP and his cronies don't care, either.

It is then fascinating that members of the NRA Board are asking to join in the suit to dissolve the NRA. Which suggests that they see no other way to cut the rotten head off the organization, and hang the consequences.

Letitia wants the NRA bankrupt and dissolved for her own political ends (like a run at the Governor's mansion).

I happen to care about the future of the NRA. But, I also care about being part of an organization led by people as unsavory (and very likely corrupt) people like WLP, who has now become the Idi Amin of the NRA.

Uh this is on Wayne and the corruption that the members of the board have allowed. They made it so the members can't get rid of them without sinking the organization.

In the latest American Rifleman mag, WLP writes his usual letter, the president writes hers and the editor writes his. And no one mentions the legal problems,,,how are we to support them if they aren’t open and upfront with us?

OneFreeTexan said:

In the latest American Rifleman mag, WLP writes his usual letter, the president writes hers and the editor writes his. And no one mentions the legal problems,,,how are we to support them if they aren’t open and upfront with us?

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I think it is akin to voting. You pick "the lesser of two evils" and hope for the best.

CapnMac said:

The fallout from dissolution is like to be vast an unexpected. NRA training & facilities are mandated in many jurisdictions (particularly NYS, not the Leticia cares) and dissolving the NRA eliminates that training & those facilities.

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AND....are not at least some LEO training formats rooted back to...NRA rules a.k.a. safe handling and other etc. , if not the actual courses of fire ?

BryanDavis said:

I don't get this approach. Do you really think Letitia James is going to care if people can't get proper firearms training after the NRA is dissolved?

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She WILL care if many LEO Dept's QUALIFICATIONS are quickly placed in... legal jeopardy. If my thinking on this is correct, I don't think it could be righted with a single wave of the magical wand or ''governors pen''

CapnMac said:

I happen to care about the future of the NRA. But, I also care about being part of an organization led by people as unsavory (and very likely corrupt) people like WLP, who has now become the Idi Amin of the NRA.

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WLP = IA, that's a 1st in comparisons!! Bravo!!

DoubleMag said:

She WILL care if many LEO Dept's QUALIFICATIONS are quickly placed in... legal jeopardy. If my thinking on this is correct, I don't think it could be righted with a single wave of the magical wand or ''governors pen''

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You're talking about an Attorney General who has sued the NYPD. She sued one of her own police departments.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/14/new...cessive-force-at-racial-justice-protests.html

The police could do a mass walk-out in protest, Letitia James will feel nothing but pride. And her supporters will cheer her on.

So we just got our final issue of Shooting Illustrated and American Rifleman?

I'm torn about this.

WLP should be publicly disgraced ... made to take the walk of shame.

https://nraindanger.wordpress.com/2021/09/05/nra-director-to-intervene-in-ny-suit-to-dissolve-nra/

Looking at this link, I thought the intent of a director joining in a suit against the NRA leadership is to potentially get the judge to clear out the existing leadership and leave the organization in existence. That said, I don't understand all the legal angles. This is all involving New York State rules for chartered organizations where the NRA is chartered.

MechAg94 said:

That said, I don't understand all the legal angles.

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Ditto on that.
I'm not at all clear how a dissolved group can discharge its debts to creditors for that matter.

This is interesting but I am afraid that I do not understand it as well as I would like. Personally I would love to see the NRA continue but WLP and his cronies wearing orange prison jumpsuits.

MechAg94 said:

https://nraindanger.wordpress.com/2021/09/05/nra-director-to-intervene-in-ny-suit-to-dissolve-nra/

Looking at this link, I thought the intent of a director joining in a suit against the NRA leadership is to potentially get the judge to clear out the existing leadership and leave the organization in existence. That said, I don't understand all the legal angles. This is all involving New York State rules for chartered organizations where the NRA is chartered.

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That is the intent

That's a perfect example why this nation is doomed.

What would the NRA do to it's leadership if the year was 1776? And they had the stones of people back then.

They would do a prisoner swap.

I never asked them to represent ME. They don't represent the members or any one else but their self.

The judge declined the request:

"Justice Joel M. Cohen rejected the NRA members’ request, stating that under state law they would require the participation of at least 5% of the group’s 5 million members to qualify for standing.

But the judge said he appreciates the perspective of NRA members and would consider other ways to include them as the case proceeds."

NRA Members Lose Bid to Intervene in N.Y. AG’s Lawsuit (msn.com)

Hope the judge can help. The org needs to survive without the corrupt leadership. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Insignificant bill said:

The org needs to survive without the corrupt leadership.

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Amen.
However, "dissolution" is about dissolving the organization entire, sadly, and not merely decapitating it.