Can anyone ID the case?

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Sorry to sound so dumb. I find these cases on the ground at my local range quite often. They are kind of a weird redish color and really don't have any markings on them. They have a 21 on the headstamp as well as 81 or 96 on the several I've been. No brand name or caliber obvious. I don't know what they are and I'm just curious. Here are a few pictures they seem to be fairly close to 308 as one picture has a 308 range pick up next to the case in question. IMG_20211116_164147702.jpg IMG_20211116_164111124.jpg IMG_20211116_164100301.jpg IMG_20211116_164100559.jpg
 
I believe those are 7.62x54r

That's what I was thinking. No markings that I can decipher but that was my first thought. Like I said just curious as I do find them on a fairly regular basis.
 
Possibly Polish? Zaklady Metalowe MESKO, Skarzysko-Kamienna, Poland. 21 found on cartridge headstamps with a date stamped upside down in relation to the factory code
 
Sunday morning I went to the range and picked up more brass than I have in a long time. I'm actually still not done sorting the pick up brass. I've seen these a few times and didn't even notice they were steel cases let alone what they actually were. Funny a friend of mine was telling me he had a mosin nagant m44 that he wanted to know if I was interested. I usually pick up what I find whether I reload it or not. I know people that reload the stuff I don't. I usually bring it home sort it. Clean it enough to resize and decap if I have the dies. Tumble it and keep what I load and give the rest to people that do load what I don't.
 
Isn’t the 21 a factory code?
Yep, you got it in post 5, MESKO.
Sunday morning I went to the range and picked up more brass than I have in a long time. I'm actually still not done sorting the pick up brass. I've seen these a few times and didn't even notice they were steel cases let alone what they actually were. Funny a friend of mine was telling me he had a mosin nagant m44 that he wanted to know if I was interested. I usually pick up what I find whether I reload it or not. I know people that reload the stuff I don't. I usually bring it home sort it. Clean it enough to resize and decap if I have the dies. Tumble it and keep what I load and give the rest to people that do load what I don't.
Even if you had 7.62x54R dies you couldn't decap that stuff with 'em. Look inside the case and you'll see two off center flash holes, it's Berdan primed.
 
Even if you had 7.62x54R dies you couldn't decap that stuff with 'em. Look inside the case and you'll see two off center flash holes, it's Berdan primed.

It's funny you mentioned that. While I took took the pictures I was busy working on sorting range pickup. After I called it a night and went into the house I thought to myself I should have looked into it with a better light to see if it was berdan primed or not. I was just really curious as to what it really was.

One of the cases I found quite a bit of was 7.62x39. I don't load for it but I do have an SKS. First time ever that I found brass cases and actually quite a few of them. Mostly all of it steel that I find. A guy next to me showed up and was wandering around looking at the ground after I had already picked up the brass. He had mentioned he lost some 7.62x39 brass in the same spot a few days earlier. I quickly sorted through what I had picked up and gave him probably 30-40 of them.
 
Just to throw it out there. These cases are berdan primed and do attract a magnet. I have a friend that told me he has a M44. I pick up whatever I can at the range if I reload it or know someone that can use it. I did leave quite a bit of 5.7 out there.
 
7.62x54R surplus was plentiful and VERY inexpensive as recently as 12 years ago. Friends and I used to literally shoot down trees with the stuff. I got the handguard on an M44 smoldering to the point it had to be actively extinguished. A Mosin Nagant M91-30 to fire it could be had for under $100 in remarkably good condition, with Finnish, rare, and sniper variants authentic, forged, and reproduction being also within the price range of a working man. A lot of that ammo is still floating around. I've noticed more X54R spent cartridges at my local range lately. I think a lot of people are rediscovering their pre-2011 impulse buys and their stashes of spam can ammo given the scarcity of components. I am one of them!

Some of the "heavy ball" stuff firing a 175-180 gr bullet was especially brutal. I had some made in Hungary that had a nominal 178 gr steel core FMJ with a ridiculous ballistic coefficient. It was a lot of fun shooting old silo blocks on a frozen lake up to 1200 yards away with a M91-30 PU sniper.

You will also find various factory codes and case types including Brass, laquered steel, copper washed as you have dating as early as 1950. Makes for an interesting collection for you to find "in the wild". I've since fired my 1950's vintage ammo, but still have a small amount of 1967 vintage Czech made steel cased LPS that I reserve for military matches. Amazing that ammo that old is still remarkably serviceable and accurate.
 
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...One of the cases I found quite a bit of was 7.62x39. I don't load for it but I do have an SKS. First time ever that I found brass cases and actually quite a few of them...
Watch out, there's a lot of Berdan primed, brass case 7.62x39 out there. I've been seeing more of it lately than I have in years, probably due to the reasons given by Random 8 in his post.
I think a lot of people are rediscovering their pre-2011 impulse buys and their stashes of spam can ammo given the scarcity of components. I am one of them!
Keep in mind that 99% of actual surplus com bloc ammo is corrosive.
 
If I remember correctly the 7.62x39 cases I found may have been Hornady. I actually just finished sorting everything last night. Majority was 9mm I managed to get a pile of it resized.
 
Be careful about becoming a total brass whor... uh... hound.

I think staring at the ground too much is why a lot of us old geezers look like like we've got a knee joint where our necks meet our shoulders
 
I've only been reloading for about 3 years. I'm just starting to really acquire a decent brass collection for what I actually load. Some I have less than I want and some I could use more of. I'm sure my collection is very small compared to what others have on hand.
 
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