Op Ed in Newsweek by John Lott

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John Lott points out that 21 times since 2020 shooters attacking groups were stopped by a potential victim with a gun.

https://www.newsweek.com/indianapol...guy-gun-stopped-mass-shooting-opinion-1725737

In Indianapolis on Sunday, a law-abiding citizen carrying a concealed handgun stopped another mass public shooting. But these heroic acts happen much more frequently than most imagine, because they rarely get national news coverage.

A 22-year-old, legally carrying man fatally shot an attacker at an Indianapolis shopping mall. The headline at Fox News mentions the "good Samaritan," and CNN and The Washington Post mention that an "armed bystander stopped the attack." The attacker was heavily armed and had already murdered three people and wounded three others, after firing about 20 shots.

According to my research, there have been at least 10 similar cases over the last year, and 21 since the beginning of 2020. And there is no reason to believe those tallies are comprehensive, given how little media coverage is usually devoted to these heroic acts. My organization has reviewed 64 total cases, but it is difficult to dig up cases from further back, since local news stories are likely to have disappeared from internet search results.

Another recent case that attracted national attention was one in Charleston, West Virginia, on May 25. There, a man with "an extensive criminal history" started firing into a crowd. Fortunately, a legally carrying woman stopped the attack. "Instead of running from the threat, she engaged with the threat and saved several lives last night," Charleston Police Department Chief of Detectives Tony Hazelett said at the time. The Associated Press and even the BBC covered the case.

On December 29, 2019, a concealed handgun permit holder named Jack Wilson stopped an attack at a church just outside of Fort Worth, Texas. It probably got national coverage because the initial news reports, such as CNN, said that a "church security team member" shot the gunman. But Wilson told me that anyone with a concealed handgun permit received this honorific. In fact, Wilson estimated that 19 to 20 members of the congregation were armed when the attack occurred. The church didn't monitor which congregants were carrying.

But take some of the many other cases not covered by the national media. One can only image the national and international news coverage these cases would have received if law-abiding citizens legally carrying guns hadn't been there to stop these attacks.

Fort Myers, Florida, July 22, 2022 — A convicted felon, who illegally possessed a gun, fired multiple shots into a crowd before a bystander returned fire. When the bystander confronted the attacker, he stopped attacking and "threw his gun in a parking lot." Fortunately, no one was injured in the attack.

South Fulton, Georgia, May 3, 2022 — A teenager fired his gun at multiple people attending a "Stop the Violence" rally. Fortunately, two individuals at the event had permitted concealed handguns and were able to shoot and stop the attacker.

Syracuse, New York, August 31, 2021 — The district attorney credited a property manager with saving the lives of several individuals after he pulled a legally possessed 9mm handgun and fatally wounded a man who opened fire on a crowd outside a building.

Fort Smith, Arkansas, May 15, 2021 — Zachary Arnold, 26, fatally shot Lois Hicks, 87, in her apartment and then began shooting at other people in neighboring apartments. The attacker fired 93 rounds. Wallace A. West, 58, used a gun to stop the attack. "Mr. West acted lawfully when he shot Mr. Arnold and likely saved a number of lives in the process," a police department news release stated.

Brownsburg, Indiana, July 14, 2020 — Joshua Christopher Hayes started shooting at men working in the local cemetery in the afternoon. A passing motorist got out of his car and returned fire. "This tragic event could have been much more disastrous. So, victim three not only saved victim two's life, but he saved potentially the lives of many others," said Captain Jennifer Barrett, of Brownsburg Police Department, at the time.

Below is the link to his listing of instances where a mass shooting was stopped by someone with a gun.

https://crimeresearch.org/2022/07/uber-driver-in-chicago-stops-mass-public-shooting/
 
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Interesting, 21 times since 2020 and yet a bunch of examples he gives are from prior to 2020, well, 3 out of 9 examples given aren't from the right time period.

Jack Wilson, former LEO 2019
Titusville, FL 2018
Lyman, SC 2016

Why he includes cases outside of his discussed range and fails to list more from his claimed 21 cases is just weird.
 
He stated that he was relying on reports from news sites on the internet.
We all know that most internet news sites find this subject to not be newsworthy.
When they report on news items in this category they tend to concentrate on the mass shooting, not how it ended... .
 
Interesting, 21 times since 2020 and yet a bunch of examples he gives are from prior to 2020, well, 3 out of 9 examples given aren't from the right time period.

Jack Wilson, former LEO 2019
Titusville, FL 2018
Lyman, SC 2016

Why he includes cases outside of his discussed range and fails to list more from his claimed 21 cases is just weird.

@Double Naught Spy , I suggest a more careful reading of the OpEd. Links to news stories for each of the 10/21 incidents are given in the CPRC article Lott cited (link repeated here for ease of access https://crimeresearch.org/2022/07/uber-driver-in-chicago-stops-mass-public-shooting/).

As I read it, the 10 and 21 numbers are accurate.
 
John R. Lott, "Indianapolis Just Latest Time a Good Guy With a Gun Stopped a Mass Shooting", Newsweek, 7 Aug 2022
https://www.newsweek.com/indianapol...guy-gun-stopped-mass-shooting-opinion-1725737

This one page op-ed in Newsweek links to a very long article by Lott originally written in response to a call by Eugene Volokh in the Washington Post 20 Apr 2015: “Have civilians with permitted concealed handguns stopped such mass shootings before?” Lott has since updated the article.

This is my extract of place and date of incidents listed by Lott after Volokh's 20 Apr 2015 request.
These are incidents that received media coverage in which the prosecutor (D.A.), police and/or bystanders credited an armed citizen (usually a citizen with a carry permit) with stopping a potential mass shooting.
The article includes lotsa quotes and source citations for each incident.

1. Greenwood, Indiana, July 17, 2022.
2. Charleston, West Virginia, May 25, 2022
3. South Fulton, Georgia, May 3, 2022
4. Phenix City, AL, April 13, 2022
5. Portland, OR, February 19, 2022
6. South Central, Nebraska, October 22, 2021
7. Lancaster, Pennsylvania, October 17, 2021
8. Syracuse, NY, August 31, 2021
9. San Antonio, TX, August 11, 2021
10. Fort Meyers, Florida, July 22, 2021
11. Chicago, Illinois, July 4th, 2021
12. Arvada, Colorado, June 21, 2021
13. Fort Smith, Arkansas, May 15, 2021
14. Metairie, Louisiana, February 20, 2021
15. Weslaco, Texas, August 17, 2020
16. Dallas, Texas, July 25, 2020
17. Brownsburg, Indiana, July 16, 2020
18. Selinsgrove, Pennsylvania, July 10, 2020
19. Louisville, KY, June 27, 2020
20. Kwethluk, Alaska, May 16, 2020
21. Tulsa, Oklahoma, March 27, 2020
22. Near Fort Worth, Texas, December 29, 2019.
23. Duncan, Oklahoma, November 18, 2019
24. Newnan, Georgia, August 13, 2019
25. Colonial Heights, Tennessee, February 13, 2019
26. Birmingham, Alabama, October 27, 2018
27. Louisville, Kentucky, Wednesday, October 24, 2018
28. Titusville, Florida, August 4, 2018
29. Tumwater, Washington, June 18, 2018
30. Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Thursday, May 24, 2018
31. San Antonio, Texas, December 7, 2017
32. Rockledge, Florida, November 17, 2017
33. First Baptist Church of Sutherland Spring, Texas, November 5, 2017
34. Clearlake Oaks, California, October 23, 2017
35. Antioch, Tennessee, September 24, 2017
36. Arlington, Texas, May 3, 2017
37. Townville Elementary School, September 28, 2016, South Carolina
38. Lyman, South Carolina, June 30, 2016
39. Winton, Ohio, Sunday, July 26, 2015
40. Conyers, Georgia, Sunday, May 31, 2015,
41. New Holland, Wisconsin, May 5th, 2015

Lott's full article lists a lot of incidents dated Apr 2015 and earlier.

John R. Lott, "Compiling Cases where concealed handgun permit holders have stopped likely mass public shootings", CPRC, 11 Jul 2022.
https://crimeresearch.org/2022/07/uber-driver-in-chicago-stops-mass-public-shooting/
 
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Lott's one page op-ed in Newsweek did not have full accounts of all 21 incidents 2020-2022 and it did include short acounts of earlier news-worthy interventions.

I don't think Newsweek would allow a multipage op-ed with details on every incident ever covered. That's what the link in the op-ed was for: further reading. Op-eds are supposed to be short summations.

One of the incidents was close to home and of special interest to me.

Colonial Heights, Tennessee, February 13, 2019

A shooting at a dentist office in Colonial Heights, Tennessee was stopped by Larry Seagroves, a concealed handgun permit holder. After the killer, Harry Weaver, fatally shot one person, Kelly Weaver, his wife, he turned his gun on other people in the office. One of them, a dental hygienist, Sabrina Steal, said: "then he raised a gun to shoot me". Larry Seagroves shot the killer, wounding him before he could shoot these other people. After the attack, Harry Weaver told the police: "You all wouldn't be dealing with me right now if the hero hadn't stepped in."

WJHL TV Channel 11 in Johnson City, Tennessee reports: "It was just a horrific situation that police said could have possibly been even worse if a patient at that dentist office didn't take action. We are talking about a man identified as Larry Seagroves, a man with a carry permit."

Sullivan County Sheriff Jeff Cassidy said: "He was a concealed carry permit holder and I'm going to call him a hero today."

The wife killer confronted the wife's boss and coworkers who had supported his wife in seeking a divorce from him. The dental patient who had a Tennessee Handgun Carry Permit wounded and detained the killer at gunpoint for arrest by responding officers. The killer did not have a THCP.

I had noticed for awhile that local newspaper reports on reckless or criminal use of handguns had included Handgun Carry Permit status of the offender: always no HCP. After this report of a possible workplace massacre by a killer w/o a HCP stopped by a citizen with a HCP, I haven't noticed local newspaper crime stories mentioning HCP status.
 
That's quite a claim!

Substantiation, please.

"More guns less crime." When has the ever been real and sustainable?

@Double Naught Spy , I suggest a more careful reading of the OpEd. Links to news stories for each of the 10/21 incidents are given in the CPRC article Lott cited (link repeated here for ease of access https://crimeresearch.org/2022/07/uber-driver-in-chicago-stops-mass-public-shooting/).

I actually understand this. The fact that he did not list the incidents here and had them listed elsewhere, yet chose to list incidents outside of the parameters stipulated is a quite interesting tell, don't you think? What is the motivation, when faced with a limited amount of space, to pick examples beyond the scope of your discussion instead of choosing the examples that fit the scope of your discussion? It would seem like to make your argument, you would choose examples that actually fit what you are saying. I know that is crazy academic logic, but Lott set up the parameters and could have made them larger or smaller or covering a different range, but he didn't.
"According to my research, there have been at least 10 similar cases over the last year, and 21 since the beginning of 2020."
 
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