Talk me out of it (or not)
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johnjohn
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Sometimes I think if I had bought a .45 Colt first,I might not have gotten a .44 mag.
stonebuster
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"Talk me out of it"- Clearly you came to the wrong place for that, but you knew that already.
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As far as I could tell he carried an open top in Good, Bad, Ugly. May have to revisit it, keep in mind it's supposed to be the end of the Civil War.
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Well, that last one I poured was enough that I couldn't focus enough to make it happen. (I had already had two glasses of wine and one triple of the whiskey...)Pour two more. You might find another gun you like.
Now, I'm looking at the checkout page on Gunbroker, doing math: The gun is $660, $727 after shipping and tax, then another $12 for the background check and $50 transfer fee to pick it up. That's $789, then I need dies, ($65) brass, (out of stock everywhere, unless I buy ammo at $55/box) and bullets. It's at $1k now, by the time I'm able to shoot it. I'm about out of large pistol primers and can't get them either; could probably make do with large pistol magnum and go a bit longer...
Damn, I just don't know that I want it THAT badly, now. (don't want to regret it TOO much when I'm sober!)
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Stonebuster, I think you over-estimated my budget by about $4,999,100.
That's a cool gun, though. If it's a 45 ACP, I could at least shoot it without gearing up to reload for it.
Speedo66
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Here 'ya go, save hundreds. Get the snakes and put them on the gun of your choice, get the wrist cuff and the poncho for extra points.
Amaze your neighbors, be the bad ass you've always wanted to be.
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While you're waiting for the goods to arrive you can listen to this, played beautifully by the Danish National Symphony Orchestra and the Danish National Concert Choir.....
Amaze your neighbors, be the bad ass you've always wanted to be.
https://www.amazon.com/Clint-Eastwood-Rattlesnake-Metal-Inlays/dp/B006R0A4GM
While you're waiting for the goods to arrive you can listen to this, played beautifully by the Danish National Symphony Orchestra and the Danish National Concert Choir.....
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eddiememphis
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Buy the gun and a box of ammo.
If you like it enough buy the reloading stuff. If you don't like it, sell it.
Or if you won't shoot it much, $30-$50 a year for another box isn't that great of a hardship.
If you like it enough buy the reloading stuff. If you don't like it, sell it.
Or if you won't shoot it much, $30-$50 a year for another box isn't that great of a hardship.
Riomouse911
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Hmmm…you pose a “Should I or shouldn’t I buy a gun” question to the distinguished members of Enablers Unanimous.
You betcha you got the ok to buy
.Stay safe.
highlander 5
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Was watching an episode of Rawhide the other day and the bad guy had those grips on his SAA.
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IMHO, if you lack a SAA, do like my wife did and "settle".
I have Ruger SA revolvers, but I really wanted a SAA "four clicker", even though funds were tight.
I "settled" for an inexpensive 357 magnum Pietta made by Uberti. It was a bit under $400 OTD with shipping and FFL fee and so forth.
I was extremely impressed by the quality of the fit and finish, and the smoothness of the action. I like it a lot and shoot it often. Family members and friends like it too, and my shooting buddy will request specifically that I bring it sometimes. I usually just shoot 38 specials out of it. They are normally cheap and easy to find.
I have Ruger SA revolvers, but I really wanted a SAA "four clicker", even though funds were tight.
I "settled" for an inexpensive 357 magnum Pietta made by Uberti. It was a bit under $400 OTD with shipping and FFL fee and so forth.
I was extremely impressed by the quality of the fit and finish, and the smoothness of the action. I like it a lot and shoot it often. Family members and friends like it too, and my shooting buddy will request specifically that I bring it sometimes. I usually just shoot 38 specials out of it. They are normally cheap and easy to find.
gwpercle
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Just call us the Enabler's ... Glad to help you make a gun buying decision ... anytime !
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Smaug
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↑ That is a GREAT link! They certainly took some liberties with the guns.
Even though it looks cooler, I don't like Cimarron's open-top conversion. That arrangement by which the powder ram is not functional except to house an extractor punch is just a bit too cheesy. Too bad, as I like that that one is 38 Special. (which I'm set to load for already)
I just looked and the 1st two movies are the ones where he had a SAA. There were scenes that had the 7.5" barrel version and others with the 5.5" barrel version.
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I'll go slightly against the grain by saying that I wouldn't own a .45 Colt if I couldn't load for it. Factory loads are simply too expensive. (Of course, if I couldn't load for it I'm not sure I'd own much of anything. Factory loads are too expensive regardless of cartridge!)
Having said that, I'd hate to be without a few good guns chambered for the old Colt. It's a great cartridge, and while I am a big fan of both the .44 and the .45 ACP, I think I might trade both of them away to get my hands on a good .45 Colt, a bullet mold, and a set of dies.
Having said that, I'd hate to be without a few good guns chambered for the old Colt. It's a great cartridge, and while I am a big fan of both the .44 and the .45 ACP, I think I might trade both of them away to get my hands on a good .45 Colt, a bullet mold, and a set of dies.
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I just looked again:
- Dies are no problem. I like the Lee Deluxe 4-die carbide sets with breech lock bushings. $60 @Midway
- Brass: Not at Midway, but no problem on gunbroker or with factory ammo
- Bullets: No problem. (I don't mold my own)
- Primers: Always a problem, for the last couple years. We can get them from gunbroker, and just pay a bit too much. $123/1000. ($110 is the more usual price; I don't remember what they cost pre-COVID)
Another approach: Get a gun chambered in 454 Casull. Do your reloads in the 454 Casull brass, and feel free to load down to 45 Colt level. I kinda like the "Target Gray" Super Redhawk they used to make in 454. These days, you'd have to settle for stainless with the smooth cylinder:
or if a fellow is really flush, a Freedom Arms, even the "cheap" Field Grade: (seems like that would be punishing to the palm, though, even with the swivel factor)
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To me, the Super Redhawk is butt-ugly. The Freedom Arms looks nice, but the Cimarron is just gorgeous:
Even better-looking that a bona fide Colt SAA:
Even better-looking that a bona fide Colt SAA:
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I do like the power available from Ruger-only loads, but to be honest, I've rarely needed it. Blackpowder .45 Colt loads - in the neighborhood of 1000 fps with a 250 grain bullet - are adequate for most North American non-dangerous game hunting. And of course, both making and shooting BP loads in the Colt is a joy, and clean-up isn't nearly the trouble some folks make it out to be.
Short version: sounds like you need that Cimarron in your collection!
Short version: sounds like you need that Cimarron in your collection!
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I think you're right. I keep coming back to it.
I just think I'll wait a couple months, 'til I clear my credit card from a few recent surprise purchases. (responsible stuff, not gun stuff)
BTW, 250 gr. @ 1,000 fps isn't a stock 45 Colt load; it's pretty hot.
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I guess that is a bit more stout than 850 fps with a 230 gr., as is typical for 45 ACP.
John has comments on blackpowder loads. I'm not sure why anyone would use that these days, when it takes 4X as much to get the same energy. Is it really cheap or something? Or is the smell great? ;-)
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.38 Special
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What I mean to say is that the original Colt load, which was blackpowder, is actually pretty powerful: 255/1050 fps is what was expected, which apparently cannot be replicated with smokeless while still sticking to SAAMI specifications. That might by itself be a pretty good reason to use smokemore. (I love that new word!) If I was going to hunt with the Colt, and was limited to SAA-pattern revolvers, I think I would use BP.
Beyond that, though, there is no rational reason. I just love the fire and the smoke and the boom, I love doing things the old way, I love that I can assemble loads without worrying about overcharges, and I love that I can have accurate and powerful loads using techniques and products that most modern shooters consider obsolete if not eccentric.
Tennessee Jed
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I highly recommend you do this. I followed this same path. Wasn't into handloading, bought a Ruger New Model Flat-Top in 45 Colt. And that led to my first set of 45 Colt dies, a press, etc. 12 or so years later, I'm very glad I bought the awesome single action Ruger in 45 Colt first, because that led me into handloading, a hobby I've completely enjoyed ever since.
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I know what you mean, Jed. I’ve gotten SO much more enjoyment from all my revolvers since I reload. I tell muggles and they assume I’m trying to hot rod the loads. I have to explain that it’s the LIGHT loads that make it worthwhile.
It seems like 45 Colt has a lot more headroom than 45 ACP, even though it’s ancient. (Which i also love)
It seems like 45 Colt has a lot more headroom than 45 ACP, even though it’s ancient. (Which i also love)
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