InTheSwamp
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With the current bullets, it seems reasonable.I’ll take the original…the Patriarch of the line…the 270 Winchester.
With the current bullets, it seems reasonable.I’ll take the original…the Patriarch of the line…the 270 Winchester.
I just recently bought some 145's and a few 140's for the only 270win I own. Been shooting 130's mainly and a few 90's. I'll need to check on load and powder I used, but mainly shot Sierra 130Sbt.I’ll take the original…the Patriarch of the line…the 270 Winchester.
Now that we are seeing heavier bullets, I think the caliber is far from obsolete.
My favorite is the 140 Accubond. I have a hunch that the 140-145 grain weight is the sweet spot for the caliber. Just a hunch.
Curious if anyone chambered 6.8 SPC in a bolt rifle?
the 6.8 didn't last long
And I doubt Hornady would be willing to compete against its current offerings.
6.5 Grendel only outperforms 6.8 SPC on targets and on the internet. 6.8 SPC outperforms that Grendel on game at the ranges most game is shot, and is better suited to the AR15 bolt, and mag well, yielding more reliable function over the long term. That being said they both are not what I use on large deer, if the shots may be in excess of 200 yards. And I wont own a Grendel, I am a hunter, and life is too short for that stuff.Those were close to the Creedmoor intro, which--some shooters hate to admit--changed the landscape of competition and subsequently, hunting cartridges. IMO, the 6.8 didn't last long, simply because the Grendel outperforms it.
Point is, the Western was introduced to "correct" the 270 shortcomings, but the available bullets are still lacking in comparison to the 6.5's and the 7's of the world.
The 6.8 was, and still is, a piece of disposable manure vs. the Grendel (whether Bill owes you money or not). Physics, as you say you know, matters.It’s still a relatively popular chambering in the AR community, and has been since its inception over 20 years ago. Folks are still wildcatting on the case and we’ve had multiple factory cartridges derived from the 6.8 SPC case… it’s not apt to say the 6.8 didn’t last long, since it’s still lasting.
I lived firsthand all of the reasons why the 6.8 SPC outsold the Grendel in the early days (Wild Bill still owes me over $20k in barrels), and all of the reasons the Grendel re-emerged when Bill released the trademark. Better mousetraps than the Grendel have emerged to do the job we really used the Grendel to do, but some folks still build or buy Grendels, just the same as better mousetraps have emerged than the 6.8 SPC, but folks still remain to build and buy SPC’s. Just the same as folks remain to buy 30-06’s, 308’s, 270wins, 7 Rem mags, etc… maybe contextually, I’d assume a safe bet to say there are more 6.8 SPC’s bought/built in the US than 6.5x55 swedes…
The 6.8 was, and still is, a piece of disposable manure vs. the Grendel (whether Bill owes you money or not). Physics, as you say you know, matters.
The 6.8 was designed for shorter barrels and is quite effective in short barrels with proper bullet weight projectiles. It is also NOT designed as a long range cartridge. Within 300 yards the 6.8 and 6.5 are a wash. It's really only when you want to reach out at 500 yards or more that the 6.5 outclasses the 6.8 with LONGER barrels for the 6.5. Compare the rounds with similar barrel lengths and proper projectile weights respective to the cartridge design and it's 6 one way, half a dozen the other. The 6.8 is hardly a piece of disposable manure...it's a tool, much like someone getting emotional over a cartridge.The 6.8 was, and still is, a piece of disposable manure vs. the Grendel (whether Bill owes you money or not). Physics, as you say you know, matters.
Pretty bold statement when physics proves such little difference between them. But hey, you can keep your irrational biases - this is America, after all. It's your right to be wrong.
I would pretty much agree with this, except to say that within MPBR of these two rounds, any advantage you can get is appreciated, even if small. Neither carries any kind of excess in the way of game killing ability, so even small advantages matter. Whether we are talking excessive tracking, lost deer, or quicker kills, I will take the one that performs best, not the one that performs almost as good within MPBR. The edge indeed goes to the SPC for hunting between these two. Now that is not to say that the most popular cartridge is the best one. For example, 6mm Remington is objectively superior to 243 Winchester, but way less popular. The buying public has strange tendencies. In the former case, most people prefer a target round over a hunting round. I have no problem with that. But it does not change the fact that 6.8 is the better hunting round in an AR15.The 6.8 was designed for shorter barrels and is quite effective in short barrels with proper bullet weight projectiles. It is also NOT designed as a long range cartridge. Within 300 yards the 6.8 and 6.5 are a wash. It's really only when you want to reach out at 500 yards or more that the 6.5 outclasses the 6.8 with LONGER barrels for the 6.5. Compare the rounds with similar barrel lengths and proper projectile weights respective to the cartridge design and it's 6 one way, half a dozen the other. The 6.8 is hardly a piece of disposable manure...it's a tool, much like someone getting emotional over a cartridge.
A lot of hog hunters would disagree with you.
Plus, what Varminterror said:
The advantages start at the muzzle, and don't wane until long after the 6.8 runs out of fuel.I would pretty much agree with this, except to say that within MPBR of these two rounds, any advantage you can get is appreciated, even if small.