(CA) Gun shows draw smaller crowds

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Gun shows draw smaller crowds
State laws, development cited for diminishing interest
By LEROY STANDISH/Staff Writer

VICTORVILLE — For the past 20 years, Anda Padgett and her family have promoted gun shows throughout the state.

She has seen the faces and the guns come and go, but lately the faces and the guns are becoming fewer and fewer.

"I'll admit that California has about smothered us to death with all the laws, and it has really slowed the shows down," said Padgett, owner of Central Coast Gun Shows. "It's slowly going."

Gun shows, like the one she promoted Saturday and Sunday at the San Bernardino County Fairgrounds, allow gun enthusiasts a place to get together to talk guns and to trade and sell.

"They'll come in and talk about things, hunting stories, and won't leave for two days," she said.

But those coming to do the trading, the buying, the selling and the talking are on the decline, said David Halbrook, chairman of the High Desert Friends of NRA.

"Shooting is not as popular as it once was — too much development, too many houses," he said. "It's pretty much a dying sport."

He pointed at the rifles and handguns displayed on the tables surrounding his blue tableclothed surface, covered with National Rifle Association promotional materials. He noted that just one of the 50 or so weapons within sight was made after 1980.

"You don't see a lot of new stuff coming into the sport," he said.

Terry Holloway — who was not selling guns, but gun accessories — also noted the decline in the numbers of gun enthusiasts. He said state regulations are making it too much of a bother to own a gun.

"It is just too difficult in California," Holloway said. "All the laws, rules and regulations anymore — it is just too big of a pain anymore."

To purchase any firearm here, buyers must conduct the purchase through a licensed firearms dealer, prove residency, pass a background check, pay state fees and wait 10 days, according to the state Attorney General's office. If everything checks out, they can then receive their purchase. For handguns, purchasers also must have a handgun safety permit, and purchases are limited to one every 30 days.

Guns are not the only things to see at the show after paying the $8 entrance fee — it also is a place to see all manner of weaponry for personal protection, including Tasers and knives. And a place to buy delectables such as jerkied meats.

Doug Hammond, an employee of the Seventh Street Pawn Shop in Victorville, stood behind a table lined with rifles and handguns under glass. He disputed the notion that gun shows were slowly becoming things of the past.

"It's not being promoted," he said. "It's just the promotion. It is not a dying thing."

Many of the weapons he had on display and available in the neighboring booths were collectibles or hunting rifles. And those are for the market the show caters to — collectors, hunters and responsible gun owners, he said.

"The truth is you got honest citizens involved," Hammond said. "It's not like it is portrayed. You don't have 'gangbangers' coming through here. You got honest citizens here."

Central Coast Gun Shows has scheduled 10 shows throughout the state this year, and will return to Victorville in October.

http://www.vvdailypress.com/2005/111020501785924.html

To purchase any firearm here, buyers must conduct the purchase through a licensed firearms dealer, prove residency, pass a background check, pay state fees and wait 10 days, according to the state Attorney General's office.
Which sounds REAL convenient for a 2-day show....
 
Although the fascist gun laws do share some blame, I'd say gun shows are mostly declining because admission is high, prices are high, and selection sucks.
 
Gun Shows

I live in Colorado.
Personally I believe the biggest reason people are not going to the gun shows like before is because they are realizing they can get a better deal from their local gun dealer. I go to more shows than most people and I have found this to be true. Seems that many dealers at the shows are looking for the individual that simply does not know any better. If they make a great deal they are simply good business men/women. If we get a good deal we are just cheap.
By far the best place I have found to buy a firearm is a pawn shop.
 
CA Gunshows

I've only been to one gunshow here. The Crossroads of the West comes through San Diego twice a year (about). When I went, it was a disappointment. High admission price, high gun prices, not many guns that I found interesting (I like milsurps). I made a point of taking the time to check every table.
I WAS able to buy some brass Mosin-Nagant stripper clips... 4 of them at $5 apiece!!!!!
Anyway, between my C&R license, and the availability of stuff on the internet, I don't see any reason to go to any more guns shows here in SD.
Now, if Sportsmansguide would only get around to shipping the Garand cartridge belt I ordered BACK IN JANUARY...
 
The one guy they interviewed nailed it, they've never promoted that show. All the stuff is over priced (even the beef jerky), from the beanie babies to all the firearms. That's what's killing what's left of the gun shows here.
 
To purchase any firearm here, buyers must conduct the purchase through a licensed firearms dealer, prove residency, pass a background check, pay state fees and wait 10 days, according to the state Attorney General's office. If everything checks out, they can then receive their purchase. For handguns, purchasers also must have a handgun safety permit, and purchases are limited to one every 30 days.

Is this the infamous "gun show loophole?"
 
I was at that show on Sunday. It wasn't empty, but it wasn't a seething, auction-like raucus either.

The problem I saw was twofold. Lack of inventory, and rediculous prices. Plenty of $300+ SKS's that looked like they'd been backed over by trucks though (I'll pass, thanks). I brought my C&R for nothing, but I did give the sponsors my $4 at the door for no particular reason. :D
 
The internet that Algore invented is the biggest factor. You can get better deals online with no sales tax. I only go to gunshows to fondle a gun or two before I buy it online.
 
I stopped going to gunshows a couple years ago. Like most of the other posters I find the prices high and the selection to be so-so. I have bought one gun at a show and a couple of weeks latr I saw the exact same model for forty dollars less in a shop. Whoops. Now I buy from shops and catalogs - like Cabelas. But I have to disagree with one of the sellers that they interviwed in that article. Here in Idaho shooting is not a dying sport - even with development. The local Sportsman is selling guns like crazy to the local suburbanites. I also see new guns coming out every year. Of course shooting might be dying in California which is too bad. That's a weird state.
 
Our local gun shows have the same stuff every time. So if you have your fill of those items, there isn't much to interest you. Prices are very high to sucker the newbies. I have seen MOsin Nagant 91 30s priced at 300 bucks for an aresenal refinish.
 
To purchase any firearm here, buyers must conduct the purchase through a licensed firearms dealer, prove residency, pass a background check, pay state fees and wait 10 days, according to the state Attorney General's office. If everything checks out, they can then receive their purchase. For handguns, purchasers also must have a handgun safety permit, and purchases are limited to one every 30 days
I need to read stuff like this to remind myself why I don't move to California or NYC. Minnesota may be a liberal state, but at least I don't need to jump through these hoops when buying a gun
 
Besides our anti-gun laws, parking fee, admission fee, beef-jerkey, t-shirt, neo-Nazi memorabilia (ahem, junk), over-priced guns, arrogant sellers is why I really don't go to CA gun shows anymore.
 
I think Dave3006 nailed it. Before the Internet, the gunshow was the only place you could go and drool over the huge selection of stuff you just couldn't see at Mom&Pops Gunshop. Without the internet, maybe Shotgun News was the only place you could compare prices on stuff you'd never have the opportunity to see and touch in person. Now, with the internet you can drool to your hearts content all day long at mesmerizing color photos of custom jobs and hear about the best price in the actual world within minutes of its availability. Then you have awesome forums like this one. You can hang out with full blown gun nuts and even make lasting friendships.

Gun shows are passe. The only reason I go anymore is for bulk ammo from Miwall.
 
I haven't been to a gun show in over a year. I used to go to the ones at the Santa Clara county fairgrounds, and once in awhile up to Sacramento. But you pay $8 to get in, and once in all you see is over priced guns, some knives, BS t-shirts like "kill 'em all, let God sort them out", and just general flea market garbage. I just can't think of a good reason to go to one anymore.
 
Went to the SF Cow Palace show several weeks ago. What a sad state of affairs we got ourselves into. About 30% of the tables actually had guns. Of that 30%, only two tables had modern handguns and rifles (M1As, SU-16s), most of the rest were C&R type tables. The rest of the tables had airsoft, knives, gun/gear bags, T-shirts, personal defense crap, books and jerky. And I saw nothing that I can consider a "deal".

The funny thing was we brought a friend who recently got into guns, and his reaction was, "WHOA!". I told him he should've gone to a gun show pre-1999, he might have had a heart-attack. I still want to take him across the border to a Reno gun show, show him what a real gun show looks like.
 
Well, the jerky and crap are still there, but they have REAL guns over there. :fire:

(And other advantages that I'm not even going to mention in an online forum)
 
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