Seattle's domestic batterers to lose guns

70% of those killed are women. Hard to skew that.

This really bugs me, though:

"We are not going to take our eye off the ball, which is the gun," he said. "We want to get those guns out of these houses."

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How about getting the violent people out of the house? Sheesh. Or keeping your eye on the real ball, which is the violent jerk in the first place? No chance they'll just choke the person, huh?

The next-most-frequent weapon of choice in domestic violence slayings is a knife. Knives account for about 16 percent of the deaths, according to the fatality review.

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I would go with VAR that a lot of woman-on-man probably goes unreported. But I still feel this way:

If one party is a threat to the other, they probably should be hauled off to jail. I don't see how removing firearms, but leaving the threatening party in the house makes any sense at all.

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Really no point in removing one tool, while leaving a whole host of others and the cause in place

My main issue with this law is that you have to obtain a court order to regain your guns. I wonder what percentage of these calls alleging abuse are unwarranted and why a citizen who is falsely accused needs to obtain an attorney and pay to regain what is rightfully theirs?

The fifth amendment limits our government simply stating:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

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In my opinion, a cop making a call for service does not constitute "Due Process".

Neither is due process accomplished simply by the making of a complaint and putting upon a person a nearly automatic restraining order by a magistrate or judge alone.

To my mind, due process is a CONVICTION via a jury of the community.

If you ignore full due process for property and as an example the taking of vehicles for 'zero tolerance' or guns for 'domestic violence' then lets also allow our a magistrate to issue death penalties as they see fit as well.

Lets not lose focus this is not an issue of male vs female, it is an issue of constitutional protections from government or other citizens.

There was a time when family life was a sacrosanct buffer between the raw power of government and the individual. Nowadays, if you get married, you are many times MORE likely to directly experience intrusive government in your life. All that needs to happen is a divorce with children in the picture (in which case the government will tell you how much money you must give to the woman who no fault divorced you, and they will supervise your every action from that point onward), or a call to 911 from your wife after she tried to clock you with a vase, and you managed to wrestle it out of her hands. By the way, that makes you a batterer, and you permanently lose your free human status in the eyes of the law. Very dangerous to be married anymore, folks. Think twice about it. Just another step in the long march towards totalitarian tyranny. They had to destroy the private sphere of the family before they could fully accomplish their goals. No fault divorce was a pivotal step in that direction.

Oh, I'll definately think twice about it.

I agree, though..the issue is not who is whupping on who, it's a matter of blaming an object for human behavior and then trying to fix the problem by removing the object.

All that needs to happen is a divorce with children in the picture (in which case the government will tell you how much money you must give to the woman who no fault divorced you, and they will supervise your every action from that point onward)

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After seeing the grief and hassle that friends who've had children then gotten divorced, not a day goes by that I don't thank the Gods that there was no issue from the one marriage I've been in.