now I am looking to purchase a .40 cal

this is like the 2nd time you've asked.

if you get a sigma, you might as well hire a gun smith to follow you around.

I got a glock 23 rebuilt(I think) for a real good price at a local shop. Might want to try there.

any local gun store.

since you're new to guns and you probably dont know anything i would highly recommend to avoid purchasing a pistol from the internet. drive to your local gun store right now, ask for a glock. if you want to carry, get a 27 or 23 (i personally love the 23C) or if you want to shoot at the range or if you're comfortable carrying a large gun, go for the 22.

remember, those are glock 27, glock 23, glock 23c and glock 22.

if you say 22, he or she will give you a ruger mark3 or something and you'll probably buy it thinking it's a glock

The Sigma series have a bad reputation. Some people swear up and down by them and others hate them. I have heard that the firing pin breaks after a few thousand rounds. I have heard the magazines come apart. I have heard a lot of bad things. Glock on the other hand is well respected and carried by the majority of Law Enforcment. I would suggest getting a 9mm first as it will be cheaper and you seem to be newer to guns. 9mm is cheaper to shoot and practice with and it is a very proven caliber (assuming you use a good respected brand of ammunition) with which to protect yourself. The most important thing to do is get training. I would also recommend going to the gun store and handling a few guns before saying only a Glock or Sigma. Maybe you will not like either gun? Maybe they will not fit your hand? There are lots of variables.

I would look at the following guns:

HK P2000 / 2000sk
HK USPc series
Sig 226 / 229 / 239
Sig Pro Series 2022 / 2040 / 2009
Glock 22 / 23 / 27
Springfield XD 5" / 4" / 3"
Walther P Series
Beretta 92/96

Out of those you can narrow it down to your preference. All of those guns are avilable in 9mm and .40 S&W calibers. From there you can narrow it down to what you are looking for.

First and foremost shoot them at a rental range. Find one that works best for you. Then go from there.

For me the way I was looking for was:

Personal Fit (I chose the one that I felt most comfy with)
Concealment (Not a problem for me being a "big boned" guy.)
Caliber ( Nothing smaller then a 9mm for me.)
Capacity (I wanted at least 8 rounds)
Accessories (Not being able to find a holster for your guns stinks.)
Cost (It stinks having a nice gun but not being able to shoot it.)

I ended up with an HK P2000 in .40 S&W with the LEM trigger and night sights. I couldnt find any holsters for it around here and want a custom made one. Fortunately I live in a non carry state so I dont mind the waiting. However I was going to order from a few shops that have the custom stuff but they do not carry lefthanded.

Good luck and remember to find the right one for you.

I have heard from buyers and a few different gunshops that the S&W Sigma series is a very good pistol. You can't beat that price/value unless you look at Taurus or Firestorm, which are also very good guns in my opinion. I have nothing against Glocks, although I probably will never buy one because they just aren't comfortable in my hand. I'm currenty looking for a 9mm auto and am leaning towards the Taurus MillPro or S&W Sigma, we'll see what the gun show brings me this weekend. I say go with what feels right to you, go rent a Glock and a Sigma and see what you like more, do some research.

I just bought a CZ 40P from J&G Sales....

for 300.00. Brand new in the box. I haven't shot it yet. Going to the range Friday night. I'll let you know.

Here is a link to a guy who has several Police Trade in Glock 22s for sale, $389 delivered.

http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=501858

I do not know the seller, just providing the informaion.

Greg

If you're looking for police trade-ins and rebuilt glocks....this is the place to go:

http://www.summitgunbroker.com/index.html

Sigma

I know a co worker who has a 40 cal sigma and he says it jams every clip. However, he is so involved in iron man comps that he will not spend the money to get a decent gun.:banghead:

I know of...

I heard that...

A guy at work bought...

Do any of you gunstore cowboys actually *own* a Sigma? Have you held one? Seen one?

C'mon, the guys a newbie; cut him some slack. Maybe he ain't a millionaire. Would you prefer he buys a Hi-Point instead of a Sigma? Maybe a Lorcin would be better. Not all of us can afford Kimbers, Les Baers and Sigs.

I suggest the original author find someone with a Sigma. Hold it and, if possible, shoot it. DIsmantle it & clean it. My sister has one; she bought it before i could suggest thst she not do it. She's *not* constrained by budgetary issues, and could buy a new Glock, or even a Baer 1911. My brother bought a S&W99; he can afford to buy the S&W *company*.

Then find a Glock to compare it to. Then look at Ruger semi-autos. Then at Taurus. Find the older 59xx Smith autos.

JB

I'll chime in and say that the first generation sigma that I shot many years ago was a natural pointer for me, and it was very controllable---.40s&W.

The new sigmas, are supposed to have fixed many of the early issues, but I have no experience with these newer guns.

--usp_fan

Buy a Glock. I've never heard anyone that I know complain about their Glock. I don't know about Sigmas. Why are they priced so cheaply? Are they a bad gun or did S&W just find a way to make a good gun cheaply?

gabarber1 said:

one post said either a glock 22 or 23- what is the difference?

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The 22 is bigger than the 23. The 23 is the Compact model, while the 22 is full size. Both guns are .40s.

gabarber1 said:

ok ok where is a good place to find a glock?

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Check out www.gtdist.com or www.impactguns.com. Both have average prices for guns. I haven't bought any guns from them, but I use the sites as references.

I had a first-gen full-size Sigma in .40 and it was a great gun, IMO. Never jammed, never broke. Lots of rounds through it. Kinda crappy trigger pull for target shooting but certainly adequate for informal plinking and/or defense. I sold it to a friend simply because he wanted a handgun and I wasn't in love with it... kinda ugly. Good ergos, though.

I have a 23C now... not especially fun to shoot (pretty sharp recoil) but not painful or anything. Good gun.

sigma vs glock rd 7 billion and 3

i have a custom built sigma sw40gp it is od green ported light rail it was ordered from S&W this way and i have a basic model SW40VE they both shoot absolutely perfect i also have a glock 22 that FUNCIONS perfect but i can't hit a fat guy @ 25 yards with it i just can't seem to center that thing but i know it's me not the gun but in my opinion the sigma is VERY competitive with the G22(build and function) when you go to the shop ask the guy helping you to take the slides off the 2 guns and check the differences (they are very few) and the basic model SIGMA cost me about 250 dollars less than the glock did new. just my $.02 but i'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

youll find alot of sigma bashers have zero experience with a sigma they just use the internet megaphone. S&W copied glock and they dont like it. early model Sigma's did suck but that was many years ago. the new VE and GVE versions are much improved and to date the US military has had 4 contracts to buy S&W Sigma 9VE's totally 73,000 units and millions in sales. Ruger also had a contract or two. if you want S&W Sigma owners go to www.smith-wessonforum.com S&W backs theyre products. I dont sell any Sigma's not a gun dealer but I do own 1 40VE and I plan on picking up a 9VE soon. its been flawless with none of the junk everyone keeps talking about. sigma does have a tough trigger it might be too hard for some wusses. it could cause them to shoot the gun absolutely poorly. those same people might limp wrist such a pistol as well causing the malfunctions described ie jamming.

New Sigmas are not bad guns at all. I defy anyone to prove otherwise. I think a lot of people around here like to talk out their asses when it comes to Sigmas, Yes, they were crap when they came out, they aren't anymore.

Garber1-
I'll give you my opinion and it is not crap nor small minded or hateful.
I own a Sigma, I've also owned a Glock.
I've also been to the Glock police armourer's course, and Smith & Wesson's pistol armourer's course at Springfield and I am a gunsmith and machine gunparts and gunsmithing tools too.
The low down on the Sigma is that is a great firing pistol. It is ergonomically excellant and points naturally. The 1st gen of Sigmas had some trouble with the dust cover op-spring guide area of the lower reciever cracking, but not really making it unserviceable. S&W replaces older Sigmas with new models if you have an older one that has this defect. The triggers on the Sigma is very heavy. It is a true double action. It cocks and fires with a full pull of the trigger like Glock.
Glock sued S&W over the 1st version and they came to an agreement that S&W wouldn't use Glock's trigger. Sigma has a new trigger that is heavy like the older model, but slightly different. It becomes smoother and lighter with use though. Sigma's new frame has a fantastic new grip and nicer contoured slide that also makes it slighty more compact than the 1st vers.
They have excellant steel magazines. The pistol shoots where it is aimed.
The Glock & Sigma field strip the same. The Sigma now has a small counter bored hole in top of the bbl to reveal a round in chamber. The slide & bbl of the Sigma are made of stainless.
I've never had any malfunctions with my SW40VE yet, and it's over 1000 rds now. I like it very much. It cost between $269-309 depending where you purchase it. Mine was under $300. 2 magazines & lock box included.
My Glock 9mm was a good gun, but I felt like I was muscling it down to the target because it's natural point of aim is into the sky. I went to the armourer's course for that one and was impressed. It is very durable and functionable and has a better trigger than the Sigma out of the box.
Many folks who rag on the Sigma have never had any practical experience with it and must have some kind of chip on their shoulder like nothing can replace the Glock. Maybe the fine Glock won't be replaced for a very long time, and I hope it isn't, but I hope people will be open minded enough to accept that other great guns are everywhere and some are not to be liked by some, and some are. The Sigma is a great value for anyone who wants to get into the shooting or self defense world at a lower cost. I like some other guns better than the Sigma but I am an enthusiest and happen to also like the Sigma more than the Glock due to fit in hand and aesthetics and because it always shoots straight without malfunction.
Hope this helps you to understand a little better, and I hope you buy something you like.
Best regards-Mike

I honestly feel that if the Glock 23 fits you, that would the ultimate CCW weapon.

Except to me I think I'd have better luck hitting something with a bow and arrow than any Glock. But they're great pistol.

and MUCH better than a Sigma.