An Appeal From 'Down Under'

Shooting the messenger gets you Banned

Personaly, Im not to keen on someone who will shoot you in the back. However....

And if you had used your messenger none of those problems would have happened as my focus is to keep people posting about subjects not themselves.

I did NOT Ban Tom and Cardigan they just left. Anti Gun Poster Straightshooter was Banned for abuse as were pro gun posters
you ,cortez and Johnny for TOS breaches and using multiple names. People spend time in the SYN BYN for a short period.

At Aussieseek Those that ARE banned simply can apply for a new membership

(using another name.)

But will be deleted if they attempt to shoot the messenger (as is being done with your last post) or for abuse or racial vilification or trying to multiple vote in a Poll.

Again Aussieseek is a general site and ALL points of view are welcome.

Keith
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Willy Said


gee they dont get their own way and they get all snotty.
the reason you get the impression the AussieSeek board is pro gun cardibag is because you lot constantly post lies and unsubstantiated irrelevant crap and it gets disproved.

Deja Vue all over again.....

THR > Social Situations > Legal and Political > An Appeal From 'Down Under'

April 4th, 2006, 09:37 AM #49
Aussieseek New Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 18

Are you a facist or a communist ?

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THR > Social Situations > Legal and Political > Who Benefits From Bans On Guns?

April 4th, 2006, 08:57 PM #7
Aussieseek New Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 18

Are you a facist or a communist ?

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THR > Social Situations > General Gun Discussions > The onus must be on the pro gun Lobby

April 4th, 2006, 09:35 AM #44
Aussieseek New Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 18

Are you a facist or a communist ?

You cant keep a good keyboard down !!!

SEEN ELSEWHERE
Thanks to Tom for a copy
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COMMENT. Next time I go to a Fancy Dress Party I will go dressed up as a target
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It seems John wasnt homeless for Long
You cant keep a good keyboard down !!!

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WELCOME JOHN

i recognise your posts from around the traps..

along with the peter's chris's willy's doug's ect.. you blokes are doing a great job of educating the rest of us as to what "power posting" is all about..

posting on aussie seek seems to be akin to "pushing turds up hill with a pointy stick"..

the format of that board appears to simply be to promote and sensationalise.. so as to garner greater numbers with a view to increase circulation.. and charge more for advertisements..
say doesn't that sound like all news media..

and they are doing a great job of it.. one has only to see the changes in the assieseek boards structure to realise how successful "they" have been at it..

as an offshoot of "their" self interest.. pro fire arm thoughts(and in the main--balanced and fair comments) have been diseminated worldwide..
that is a good thing..
as opposed to that good thing.. the atlanta "TOM'S" have been given the same exposure.. the nasty manipulations by those folks will no doubt appeal to frightened.. insecure people.. of which the governments of the world are "breeding" at an ever increasing rate with their "nanny" politics..

the real worry of aussie seek as a site with 100% commecial interests(IMO).. is that the pro gun folks will get so heavily pruned.. it will appear to new posters as if all the world according to aussie seek is in favour of strong anti gun regulations..
the admin at aussie seek has repeatedly shown us he is studying logs of the sites "hits" and refering same to locations of "power"(canberra-washington ect) his conclusion is that powerful people are reading his site..
he may be right.. or those conclusions may be just another ego trip he has from time to time..

i posted on afdf my notes re the strategy of responding to hostile posts..
it was of no interest to any one.. we all know better hehe.. but my thoughts were gleaned from observing how the anti's were remaining in the lime light while seasoned reasonable pro posters were culled quite quickly.. i did not promote the spamming strategy that was so successful for both pro and con.. the spamming strategy ended up as a useless tool since it was dependent on the personal views of the moderator and his vested interests... it would be a cold day in hell before one could expect balanced moderation from the keiths of the cyber world..(more hits.. more adds.. more money.. more ego... and so the world rotates)

hope u get out of the syn bin if it was indeed you john

You cant keep a good keyboard down - The Reply

I find tom from AussieSeeks post, put up here by Keith absolutely amazing.

You see I am the "John" from AussieSook's Syn Byn, that's right, it's little old me, the Syn Byn Kid! The post "found" by noted antigunner tom doesn't appear on ANY discussion forum I have ever posted on to date. period.

I regularly scribble something on AFDF, PistoleParabellum, and Surplusrifle, apart from AussieSeek, the only other forum I have ever posted on is one entry on the Australian Broadcasting Authorities "Collectables" thread, didn't look there for toms little find, didn't see the point.

Well, it's good to say hello to all you folks, now I'm a member here. It's interesting you know, NEVER been Syn Byn'd at AFDF, PistoleParabellum, or Surplusrifle, but over at AussieSeek I seem to spend quite a bit of time in the "cooler", go figure. (Although at AFDF I did once get told by the moderator that my claws were showing, and once on PP I offered to place a another poster's Elvis Presley whisky glasses somewhere the weren't designed to go. He was saying nasty things about Aussies, fortunately he sobered up and we kissed and made up day or so later)

If anyone does find out where AussieSeek tom found that post, can they let me know? I like to go places where I am made welcome.

Gotta go, it's geting late and I've got a twelve-hour shift tomorow.

Regards
John
(AKA the Syn Byn Kid)

It won't stand in the sunlight, Keitha!

The old version of Aussieseek was one of the first forums I joined when I first became active on the net, there were some good discussions. The problem seemed to be that the RKBA folks usually held their ground, in spite of all.
All of a sudden, entire threads began to fall down the rabbit hole. The manipulation was obvious, a thread or post would vanish, but, "someone" often failed to remove all reference to it from the index page. Any comments brought the reply "I didn't do it, another moderator did". The "another moderator" finally had her fill, and quit! Some time after that, the whole forum locked down, and reappeared in a new, I suggest, easier to manipulate, form.
Australian gun owners deserve better from a forum supposedly dedicated to Australian interests.

swampsniper !
Nice to see you!
Youre in our hall of defame.
Ive put you up in lights on our headline ticker on the Aussieseek Homepage
Watch out for Aligator.

Benedict

Re. Toms amazing discovery

Let's see now,

I launched the rant that got me Syn Byn'd, closed down the computer and went out. Drove to Bacchus Marsh, picked up the girls from school and bought their new winter uniforms. Drove to Hoppers Crossing for the girls netball training, after training I picked up my wife from the station and then stopped at Elios for tea. Then on to Werribee Plaza for some retail therapy. New netball shoes for Lauren, new sports bag for Emily, Easter eggs all round, birthday presents for me (Fishing reel and "Red Dawn" DVD). Got home to discover - oops in the nick again!

I also discovered whilst in the nick I had whinged about it on another forum, got a reply from someone, had the reply "found" by tom and posted there. All without realising I was Syn Byn'd OR accessing a computer.

DAMN I'M GOOD!

I've check the forums I normally post on and cannot find tom's amazing discovery. Can someone ask tom (as publicly as possible) where she found it, 'cos I like being made welcome.

Gotta go, feeding time in the Syn Byn, porridge again.

John

Ah, Keitha,

I know where I am on your list!
I reckon that you must really be scared of what I might say, after all, ain't no doubt, that you will compromise your honor, to silence me, downunder!
Keitha, at this moment I still stand for Freedom, but, I will just be Damned if I can figure what you Aussies want!
What do you "want", Keitha?
Keitha, I can provide tsu las' mail addy, the lady is a doctor at the university at Adellaide, but, tsu la no longer bothers with your forum, because of your bias.
Keitha, all I want is "fair dinkum".
I don't expect it! You don't have it in you!

Freedom is for ALL

Swampy

Youre on no list.and all things except created libel are fine
so perhaps youl care enough about the owners of this forum to consider this.

YOU SAID Keitha, at this moment I still stand for Freedom, but, I will just be Damned if I can figure what you Aussies want!
What do you "want", Keitha?

Its up for people to speak up. Thats what the forum is for.
Freedom also means the right to post also extends to the likes of Tom..

And you said "Keitha, I can provide tsu las' mail addy, the lady is a at XXXXXXXXXXX but, tsu la no longer bothers with your forum, because of your bias.

Well fine but respect her privacy in your post.

I like Fox. A lot of people dont. So they dont have to watch
it at all.Same with Tsu.She has the Freedom to do that

I made a personal decision as we are a general board to allow all points of view. Those posters who only talk about nothing except burning the forum down because I allow freedom for all were identified,and you were the second
worst

.Remember at the time The other was a chinese gentleman pretendinf to be a white supremist.and posting racial hate.

Id suggest you give up that ploy and talk about guns
being ok.

You were pretty quiet about that racial stuff which suprised me.

Dozens of other Gun posters are at Aussieseek and none of them have your problems

anyway gotta go, Have to sign John out of the SYN BYN

Keith



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Goodness that site makes my head hurt !

"You were pretty quiet about that racial stuff which suprised me".

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Keitha, why does this surprise you, I am not a bigot, never have been. You may be making the very common mistake of painting gun owners with much too large a brush, it does not follow that we must be KKK members and nazis.
If you hang out on THR for just a bit, you will notice shooters of more than a few religious and racial persuasions, and, we like things that way.
Not one word you say addresses your very obvious manipulations of other peoples words to meet your own aims.
You always prefer ad hominem attack to forthright discussion, is this the only tool you have in your box?
BTW, Keitha, the very sound of "SYN BYN" is typical, immature, Britspeak. It belongs in the same jar with ASBOs, when are you Limeys ever going to grow up?
Sesame Street is fiction, Keitha.

Is it just me or this the absolute strangest thread on THR since Gunkid made an appearance. Can someone call the state dept and up the Xanax shipments to the Aussies? Wow.

Interesting. John is up to his XXXXX with the anti gun posters this morning


You (swampsniper) said Keitha, why does this surprise you, I am not a bigot, never have been.

Keith said Good. I knew that

You said You may be making the very common mistake of painting gun owners with much too large a brush, it does not follow that we must be KKK members and nazis.

keith said. Please get it right. I never have and never will
paint gun owners or gun haters with a brush.

You see swampsniper Posters will always try to demomise each other like with John and Tom with the Gay thing at the moment on Aussieseek or another cretin with KKK members and nazis.

But you swampsniper still persist in trying to make an association between what posters write as you sadly make war on the
messenger (us) who simply allows freedom of speech as with this forum here.

This Forun is not BAD BAD for allowing that liberty neither is Aussieseek.

But your attempt to associate the forum with posters content is... but motivated by your dedication to the Gun
cause..

Your complaint should be against the posters.

Nixon first tried to sabotage the Washington Post owners
to stop Watergate but then as now and with most media
it wont work. It hasnt worked for you. You found that out. Sorry about that.

swampsniper says to Keith Not one word you say addresses your very obvious manipulations of other peoples words to meet your own aims.

Keith said. I just answer your questions. My aim is to keep us non judgemental and allow posters to decide.

You always prefer ad hominem attack to forthright discussion, is this the only tool you have in your box?

No the Terms of Service and 80 on the staff and a program that sources IP Locations of multple nics from the one computer which I can not disclose because of privacy.

swampsniper says BTW, Keitha, the very sound of "SYN BYN" is typical, immature, Britspeak. It belongs in the same jar with ASBOs, when are you Limeys ever going to grow up?
Sesame Street is fiction, Keitha.

Keith said Getting there. But grown up enough to stand up beside the USA
in IRAQ

Meanwhile while you fiddle I have to do something today
to attempt to balance the bias of more anti gun posters than progun posts on the front page.

This War on Guns stuff coming out of Atlanta ( Whats There?) is wearing me down.

Not you

I need your support and of others in balancing these anti gun posters. John cant do it all.

Please return to

http://aussieseek.proboards25.com/

Keith

Why Delete

AussieSeek you said
"You see swampsniper Posters will always try to demomise each other like with John and Tom with the Gay thing at the moment on Aussieseek or another cretin with KKK members and nazis.

But you swampsniper still persist in trying to make an association between what posters write as you sadly make war on the
messenger (us) who simply allows freedom of speech as with this forum here.

This Forun is not BAD BAD for allowing that liberty neither is Aussieseek.

But your attempt to associate the forum with posters content is... but motivated by your dedication to the Gun
cause..

Your complaint should be against the posters."

Can you please explain something to me, that anti-gun ratbag tom made some rather sweeping assertions regarding pro-gunners attitudes to homosexuality, which I took offence to as I have a number of gay friends.

I posted a response to tom's rant pointing out an example of a senior member of this very forum who is a member of pinkpistols. Tom apparently took offence to what I had to say and claimed he never made the assertion linking gun ownership to homophobic hostility.

As of this morning, tom's rant claiming that progunners are opposed to homosexuals remains on AussieSeek, but my reply has been deleted.

WHY?

Answering Johns Question

John

Go to

Re: Yes WE NEED GUN REFORM
« Reply #6 on Yesterday at 11:16pm »

and

your letter and my worried querstion respondin
at

Re: Yes WE NEED GUN REFORM
« Reply #5 on Yesterday at 11:14pm »


The other problem is cache. Always refresh your page

Syn Byn'd Again

Hi all, it's the Syn Byn Kid, and guess what, I'm back in AussieSeek's Syn Byn, this time I'm bloody-well staying there!

OK, That's it, I've had it to the back teeth with the bulltisch over at AussieSeek.

I know AussieSeek visits here so I want to make a couple of things clear.

A journo/media researcher who comes onto a discussion forum where a strongly debated discussion re. gun control is taking place, and asks for material for a broadcast re. gun issues AFTER quoting the rantings of an anti-gun poster, is, in my opinion (an opinion based on watching the Australian media's reporting of the gun debate over the past decade) not particularly interested in giving us a fair go, period.

A journo/media researcher who offers to put the rantings of an anti-gun talking head like '"tom" on both 2UE and 3AW AFTER claiming she's heading off to join Gun Control Australia is, in my opinion, clearly not very interested in telling our side of the story.

When a journalist writes a full page story, on the "research" into firearms misuse claiming that most murders are committed by licenced shooters using legal guns, but fails to advise her readers the "research" she is quotiing was conducted by the founding Presidnt of an anti-gun lobby group. Then responds to questions about the validity of that research and the anti-gun bias of the researcher she is quoting with the reply "So what, there's only so much you can fit in twenty paragraphs." I belieye it's reasonable to assume that the journalist has a fairly strong anti-gun bias. When that journalist's newpaper, the Ethics Committee of the Journalist's Association and the Press Council has placed before it evidence that four days prior to publication that journalist was aware of the anti-gun bias of the "researcher", but failed to mention it in her article, but none of these organisations feel the journalist has done any wrong in failing to disclose to the readers the anti-gun bias of the researcher being quoted, I believe that is a pretty strong indication of widespread anti-gun bias within those organisations.

When the General Manager of a major Melbourne radio station writes to me and mentions his station's "strong stand against guns in the community", I believe him.

When a radio station runs a long interview with anti-gun lobbyist Rebecca Peters, and responds to the then President of the Victorian Shooters Party's request for right of reply with the answer "Oh no, we only interview interesting people", that's telling me something.

I am aware of the power of the press, a major Melbourne newspaper once threatened to sue me, when I made it clear through my solicitor that I was looking forward to my day in court, they dropped the matter.

I will not bow to an anti-gunner, they have vilified me and mine for to long, I don't care if that anti-gunner is a talking head for some local anti-gun lobby group or if the're the General Manager of a broadcasting network.

OUT!

ah I found it

Well thats fine John. Thats your Legal problem.
And as youre so keen to sort it out, I am sure you will.
But youll need plenty of money to feed the lawyers and be prepared to win or lose AND pay costs.

Talkback Radio Stations get lots of legal work and have an army of lawyers.

A cheaper idea may be to complain to the ACMA
( like thev FCC) that gunners are not getting a go

They wouldnt like that.

Dont fret about the Site. There are lots of pro gunners there doing an excellent job.

As I said to you

I do wish you well all the best in the future

Keith
Moderator
Aussieseek Messageboards
http://aussieseek.proboards25.com/

G'day Aussieseek. Not to sound like a twit or anything but is there some trick to posting on the gun section of that forum? I tried logging in with an account I already had and it didn't work.

Password to keep Anti Gunners out

no theres a password there.

a clue

what do you pull?

Regarding Post 54

I've since found that posting (and become a member of) on PrimerPocket, at the time that posting went up I was unaware that PrimerPocket existed and had never visited that sight.

I pointed out that, at the time that posting went up on AussieSeek that I was nowhere near a computer (see above) but the assertion that "you can't keep a good keyboard down" remains.

If AussieSeek would care to visit primerpocket, they will discover that PrimerPocket's "John" and the "Syn Byn Kid" are in fact two different people, one is a retired Medical Officer living in Sydney, the other a 40 something Prison Officer living in Melbourne. You'd also notice that PrimerPocket's "John" and the "Syn Byn Kid" hold quite differing opinions on the matter of media bias towards gun owners, and these differing opinions can be voiced and accepted without any need for put downs, venom or other nastyness. No-one over on PrimerPocket is claiming that anyone else supports criminals or hates gays.

Interesting you know, about 30% of AussieSeeks members work within the media, their currently having a discussion about prisons and prisoners health care and moaning that it's so difficult to get information out of prisons. I've spent the last sixteen years working in maximum security prisons and I could tell you things that'd make your hair curl, but why the hell should I? Why should I make easier the jobs of people who consider recreational firearms owners little more than sport.

"If the people knew what the warders know, and felt as the prisoners feel"
If the people knew, they'd storm the gaols as they stormed the old Bastille"

Henry Lawson 1908

And there's a lot that hasn't changed much since Lawson's time.

John Your Gun Reform proposals

John Your Gun Reform proposals
are up for a Poll


at

http://aussieseek.proboards25.com/index.cgi


John Says to TOM (gunsafe)

I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb and ask that we limit the discussion to Australian gun control issues.

fine. Bit of a cowards approach though

What do you think the laws should be in Australia governing the private ownership and use of firearms, and why ?

You know what we feel by now. Australia had a cosmetic gun buyback. Now Mr Howard has to get serious

If everyone's OK with it I'll start the process.

1. Individual registration of long arms is a total waste of time, and diverts valuable resources away from more important crime control programs. The money spent each year on firearm registration in Victoria alone would put between 50 and 100 extra police officers on the beat. It has never been shown to solve a single crime, but face's wide non-compliance due to it's benefit to firearm confiscation programs. Society has decided Billy Jone's can be in possession of firearms, whether or not Billy Jones has one .22 rifle or two is totally irrelevant!

One Gun per owner.Registration renewed monthly
period

2. The carriage of concealed arms for the purposes of self defence should be allowed, where a person has undergone appropriate training and can show a genuine requirement for such arms.

NO

3. Antique firearms (defined as made before 1900 and not designed for fixed ammunition, or made before 1945 and designed for fixed ammunition which is not commercially available) should be free from all licencing requirements except, where the owner intends using that firearm.

NO. Antiques are for Museums and must be disarmed

4. Prohibited persons, found in possession of arms, where it is reasonable to believe such arms were held with criminal intent, must face custodial sentences, and those sentences must be cumulative with any other sentence handed down by a court.

I Agree. NO need for the criminal intent condition though

5. Firearms currently classified as Category C firearms (semi-automatic .22 rifles, semi-automatic and pump action shotguns) should be moved to Category B firearms, allowing their ownership on the basis of genuine need.

NO

6. The law should allow recreational ownership of Category D firearms (semi-automatic centrefire rifles) for some types of hunting and target shooting, where legislated safekeeping requirements and genuine reason provisions can be met.

NO

7. Anybody found to have carried a firearm during a violent or drug related crime must face a lengthy custodial sentence for the possession of that firearm, in addition to and cumulative with any other sentence handed down by a court.

YES

8, Changes to pistol ownership laws introduced after 2002 are a total waste of time from a community safety viewpoint and should be repealed in total. Licencing requirements for handguns owned for sport or target shooting should be as they were in Victoria prior to 1996, including graduated access for new club members, and renewal based on pistol club attendance.

NO and if the owner no longer attends the range. Guns must be surrened with no compensation and prosecution on non compliance

9. Legislated safekeeping requirements should be based on making unauthorised access to firearms difficult, not on making comlpiance with those requirements difficult.

NO. Spot checks by police should be conducted with warrants and if the gun is not secure. Prosecution would follow.Period

10. Theft of a firearm should attract a length custodial sentence, again cumulative with any other sentence handed down.

And for the owner


I hope you find these suitable.

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Tom,Nogun,straightshooter,
aligator,cardigan,gunsafety
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Many Voices-One Message

1000 people killed day ..a world awash with guns - 1 for every 10 people.
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GUNS KILL PEOPLE CAUSE
PEOPLE PULL THE TRIGGER
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The USA Supreme Court says the Second does not guarantee individual rights to own arms

Courts are the entity to interpret the Constitution,

Not NRA

Get GUNSAFE NOW

AussieSeek

Gotta admit, don't really care what's happening over at AussieSeek, I don't bear any real ill-will to the site operators, but I'm not interested in going back there either.

AussieSeek's rules for posting require;
"Spamming, trolling, flaming, and personal attacks are prohibited. You can disagree with other members, even vehemently, but it must be done in a well-mannered form. Attack the argument, not the poster or messenger"

However in the few weeks I was there I was told I support criminals and am homophoblic. Another pro-gun poster Willy was labelled a drunkard. Now that I'm no longer a member and they know I will not reply the anti-gun mob are claiming I'm a coward!

I've got news for you pack of mongrel b*******, I've spent that last sixteen years working in various maximum security prisons, I work every day where you would fear to tread, face to face with people who would give you nightmares. Coward huh? I got medals that say otherwise!

The pack of anti-gunners now trolling AussieSeek can get away with this sort of abuse, but I get banned for quoting a letter I received from the General Manager of a radio station? AussieSeek would only highten my blood pressure and I would probably end up saying things I shouldn't be saying, better to stay away.

no theres a password there.

a clue

what do you pull?

Click to expand...

Answer: In Australia: ...your pants down.