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2006: Howard says yes NEW gun restrictions

2006: Howard says yes NEW gun restrictions
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Just a note to you all here that Talkback will be Alive today as Alan Jones on Radio 2GB 873AM which has the Biggest radio audience in Australia will do a special show on Guns in light of the new proposals for Gun reform as talked about on the AussieSeek Messageboards

THE Australian Prime Minister, John Howard, has foreshadowed further restrictions on guns, saying nobody should have firearms unless they are an essential part of their job.

Mr Howard stressed his loathing of guns and said he was particularly concerned at the proliferation of pistols since rapid-fire rifles and shotguns were banned.

"I think there's still more that can be done on that front; I do. I'd always seize opportunities to do more," he said.

Mr Howard said he had no specific plan at this stage regarding pistols but hinted he was prepared to work again with the states on measures.

"We just do not need guns," he said.

"I don't think Australians need guns unless it's your job or you're in genuine need of protection." Only police, security officers, farmers and legitimate sporting shooters should have them, he said.

Mr Howard said there had been a "marked improvement" in gun-related deaths since the states and the Commonwealth combined after Port Arthur to outlaw semi-automatic rifles and shotguns.

His claim is supported in a new study, by the University of Sydney academics Simon Chapman and Philip Alpers, which finds the 1996 gun buyback resulted in "remarkable reductions in gun death".

The study, which monitored trends from 1979 to 2003, found that while murders, suicides and accidental shootings had been declining in the years before Port Arthur, the rate of decline had accelerated markedly after the gun buyback. From 1979 to 1996, there were an average 617 gun deaths a year. In the seven years since, that average has dropped to 331.

Mr Howard was only six weeks into his prime ministership when Martin Bryant killed 35 people at Port Arthur.

"It just seemed to me at the time that I had to do something about this," Mr Howard said.

"What is the point of holding an office with that authority unless you're prepared to use it?

"A few of the hardened experts around said, 'Oh, you can't do this. You won't get them to agree. We've tried this before.'

"I said, 'Well, blow it, I'm going to try this.' "

Mr Howard said the Australian Institute of Criminology reported firearm murders had fallen from 99 in 1996 to 38 in 2003. All gun-related deaths, including suicides, fell from 521 in 1996 to 299 in 2003.

He partly attributed a decline in the suicide rate among young males over the same period to "guns being a bit harder to put your hand on".

The Sporting Shooters Association of Australia said any move which targeted legal pistols would fail.

"If the Prime Minister is looking at handguns, we would be extremely disturbed because he has absolutely no evidence to warrant it," said Dr Jeanine Baker, the national research co-ordinator for the association.

Dr Baker said the 1996 buyback had had no effect because gun deaths were already declining. She said the money spent buying back 700,000 rifles and shotguns should have been spent on mental health and social programs for those most likely to use guns for killing.

Dr Baker said further bans on pistols would only hurt sport shooters because the overwhelming majority of pistols used in shootings were illegal.

She said less than 0.1 per cent of illegal pistols had been stolen from legitimate, licensed owners.

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Absolutely reminescent of the UK

.[/B]Well I have come to the absolute conclusion that this moron has expired his time in office and has quite frankly outstayed his welcome-because he is only going to make things far worse for the law-abiding shooter.

The comment:]We just do not need guns," , is of his personal opinion and not the opinion of the entire country.If Jonny boy hates guns-fine,but he shouldn't impose his views on the entire population,who might have a different opinion to his.My advice to Howard is:GET THE-YOU KNOW WHAT-OUT OF OFFICE.:cuss: :banghead: :fire:

His qutoe "We just don't need guns", is narrow-minded and biased,that the Australian citizens actually "Just don't need you as a Prime Minister-SO KINDLY RESIGN YOU WART and give the office to a more competant leader.
 
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Wow, Sterling

You have such a way with words!:rolleyes:
Can you pass as Hispanic? I think I can slip you in here, with little problem!:)
We may have security, or we may have liberty, but, we can't have both together.
 
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Hi all, I've just posted this over at AussieSeek and deleted my account with them
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Tonight, for the second time in recent days I have noted tom refer to pro-gun posters as cowards. Coward huh tom, I got medals that say otherwise. I am quite sure if a pro-gun poster used such language towards an anti, they'd be quickly Syn Byn'd

Tell us tom, if were cowards, why won't you let us behind your wall over at Matilda? If we're cowards, what's frightening about "sniper vipers"

Well folks, I've had it. All the gun debate has moved behind tom's wall and I'm not allowed to go there.

To some we're just names on a screen, but I still believe many on AussieSeek do genuinely care for each other, there are people here who I have never and will never meet in person, but consider friends.

To Lennie, Joe, Chrisper, Zeke, Buzz, Fusil, Tootsie, Swampsniper, Talkbackproducer, Workingman and yes, even you Radio97, I wish you all the best for the future and hope to hear of you around the traps.

To the more reasonable of the anti's including Aligator and Straightshooter, whilst I do not wish you well in your pursuits, I do wish you well on a personal level.

To Tom, busily building walls, and to Cardigan, who believes people like me and our families should be dragged from our homes and shot - you two can kiss my a***!

Farewell.
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Readers on THR should not the original did not have the last sentence censored!
 
Too many years of polititions throwing away our rights,

Swampsniper

I am usually a very civil person,but it angers me that idiots like Howard and some in my country's government-have over the years- destroyed sections of shooting sports,because they hate the concept of it.Unfortunately if another ban occurs over here then it will put people in the gun-trade out of business with minimal amounts of financial compensation that they would be reimbursed with- and maybe in Australia as well.This was stated indirectly by some in the UK, because people in Labour don't believe in compensational payments to gun-owners,because it costs too much money,etc,etc.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: They want our guns,taken away from us and some seem to have no compunction whatsoever about ruining businesses that depend on all aspects of the gun-trade- but they seem unwillingly reluctant to pay us fully or not at all,-for them in return.This equals theft, in my eyes.

Jack Straw and David Blunkett are prime examples of some. The worst thing a politition can say is: "I hate guns",because it is stating that the ban is neccessary in their opinion and not in their countrys, overall opinion.Note that this is to Howard because he is a bigot and lives in Cloud-9.

Our ideals are in conflict with theirs and to negotiate peacefully gets us nowhere.Both of us know this to be absolutely true to the hilt-as it were.
 
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