My reply to the know-it-all columnist RE: Zumbo

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I know that we have seen a number of these Zumbo supporters pop up all over the place. This one appeared in local rag.
www.sltrib.com/Features/ci_5490603

here is my reply:


I am sad to see that you side with Mr Zumbo on this issue. I read the original blog post: he called the rifle "a terrorist rifle" and, by association, anyone using the rifle a terrorist. The very same rifle used by our armed forces. He did not call for it's ban from hunting, but from ownership all together.
As stated by someone else in these comments, the appearance of the gun should have no bearing on it's legallity.

The .223 Rem cartridge is legal to use for hunting. It may not be the best choice for every game animal, but in some situations, it is ideal. We need to remember, the 30-06 sprinfield cartridge began it's life as a military cartridge. It is now a widely popular hunting round.

Currently there is a bill before congress which would ban ALL semi-auto guns, including "duck hunting" shotguns. It only gets worse, moving to bolt-actions and then muzzle loaders. If you don't think it could happen like this, ask the Brits or the Aussies, they'll tell you a different story. Zumbo should have educated himself about the rifles in question before he spoke, maybe then he would have seen the similarities, or at least understood that we are not safe unless we are united.

I am proud of every company that stood up and took a risk in dropping Mr. Zumbo. This whole situation could have easily gone the other way for them. We need more poeple to stand up for their God-given rights.

I hope i was respectful yet to the point.
 
Mr Whartons reply

Here is his reply:

First off, since when is owning a gun a "god given right?" Haven't
seen gun ownership as the 11th commandment or in any religious text
in my Bible.

That said, I read Jim's original post and it did not call for a ban
on ownership of rifles in question but for fish and game agencies to
ban their use for big game hunting. That's a major difference. In
Utah, for example, we don't allow big game hunters to use .22 rifles.
Is that infringing on someone's god given right? For safety reasons,
most types of rifles and their use are banned from Wasatch Front
canyons. Is that gun control? For that matter, again for safety
reasons, it is illegal to discharge a firearm in Salt Lake County.
That doesn't prohibit you or I from owning a gun or even carrying a
concealed weapon should we so choose. Is that gun control or common
sense?

The problem with the high powered military rifles is their long
range. Can a hunter discern a target at 500 yards safely? Do long
range rifles have the potential to wound an animal and waste game
meat? And, in the case Zumbo was writing about, is it appropriate to
use a long-range rifle to blow away prairie dogs for the fun of
killing an animal while having no intention at all of utilizing it in
any way? Such activities should be an affront to any person who calls
himself a sportsman.

I guess I have enough faith in the common sense of our government as
well as the checks and balances of the federal system to think that
my right to own and use my semi-auto shotgun used for sporting
purposes is not under any kind of threat.

While I defend the right to own firearms, I have no problems with
fish and game agencies or even government agencies establishing
regulations as to their reasonable use.

Thanks for writing.

Tom
 
I just learned something that I didn't know.

The problem with the high powered military rifles is their long
range.
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So a .223 cartridge (or whatever other military round) fired from a "sporting" bolt action rifle is less powerful or accurate at longer ranges then if is fired from a semi-automatic, military style rifle.

Who would have thunk... ?? :confused: :rolleyes:
 
The problem with the high powered military rifles is their long
range.
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Man, I better turn in my .308, cause that is something NO HUNTER would use eh?

Oh, better toss the '06 while I'm at it. I mean, what self respecting hunter would EVER use the 30-06, that would be wrong.

I need to email him and ask him what I should hunt with since those 2 are unethical.


is it appropriate to
use a long-range rifle to blow away prairie dogs for the fun of
killing an animal while having no intention at all of utilizing it in
any way?
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He eats the darned things? GROSS
 
Apparently he hasn't heard of pest/varmint control either. I haven't been 'varminting' before, but I understand that one of the major purposes is to control fast-producing animals such as prairie dogs and rabbits, and to thus protect valuable livestock and property.
 
Good thing those .300 Win Mags are only good out to 50-100 yards. Wouldn't want somebody to think they were actually dangerous at 500-800 yards.

Encumbered by idjits we press on.
 
He also does not understand the philosophy of Natural Law. Something the Founders were well versed in. The Declaration of Independence is a materful piece of Natural Law thinking. But alas, it is a dirty thing that has no bearing on elite thinking in this progressive cultured society. Were just a bunch of ignorant peons afterall. :(
 
Always the crux of the matter
I guess I have enough faith in the common sense of our government as
well as the checks and balances of the federal system to think that
my right to own and use my semi-auto shotgun used for sporting
purposes is not under any kind of threat.
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Shows that people like these are far from in-tune regarding lesgislation and political decisions revolving around these.

It doesn't help that he somehow thinks military rifles have superior range compared to regular hunting rifles, yet its too weak to successfully take deer.
 
From one of Zumbos hunts.

We didn't see a bull on that first day, but on the second morning after hunting for about two hours and seeing several cows, I spotted a spike bull. As they say, any moose is a good moose, especially if it's standing close to the road. This bull wasn't really close to the road although he was maybe 300 yards away, but I had my handy one-wheeled game carrier, a Pac'Orse, that would do the job nicely.

Matt decided to take the bull and dropped him nicely with one shot.
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What was he thinking? That moose was way to far away .And how did he do that with a non military style weapon? (sarcasm off)

some people just don't get it , and I don't have the time or patience to explain it to them .
 
He also does not understand the philosophy of Natural Law. Something the Founders were well versed in. The Declaration of Independence is a materful piece of Natural Law thinking. But alas, it is a dirty thing that has no bearing on elite thinking in this progressive cultured society. Were just a bunch of ignorant peons afterall.
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I have no idea what you are talking about. No idea.

I _do_ know that we can widen the split between "hunters" and "shooters," or we can try to bring the groups together. It seems that some of you would rather both groups self-destruct.

Keep things simple, to the point, and remember that it is not a debate, an argument, or a fight.
 
I do know we can widen the split between "hunters" and "shooters" or we can try and bring both groups together.
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A little difficult to do when one group thinks that sacrificing one type of firearm or shooter will appease the wolf about to devour all of us now isn't it?:scrutiny:
 
A little difficult to do when one group thinks that sacrificing one type of firearm or shooter will appease the wolf about to devour all of us now isn't it?
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It'll be a lot harder to do the more we piss 'em off.

Let's look at it from the typical "Bubba Hunter" type's perspective... He's at the range, getting ready to fire his ritual "make sure the boomstick is optimal for Bambi" rounds, because he read about how to do it in Outdoor Life, and a blues brother cop car pulls up, and out leaps Joe Tactical - who is _dressed_ for the range... Joe commences to unload several evil black rifles, and then proceeds to blow the heck out of several targets. And a target frame. Then _he_ calls a cease fire, which Bubba's okay with... Joe moseys down to laboriously put pasters over every one of the couple of hundred holes he just blew, conveniently ignoring the portion of the target frame that is now waving in the breeze. Then he gets back to line, and sees that Bubba's got his rifle apart and is cleaning it. He proceeds to cuss Bubba out for touching the thing (even though the bolt's out, and there's a cleaning rod down the bore, and the thing couldn't be safer...), then gives Bubba the evil eye while he unloads another several magazines in the general direction of the targets. Oh yeah... I forgot - he's using the 50 yard targets, but will tell everyone he was shooting at 250 yards... Then he tosses everything back in the back of the blues brothers car, and slings gravel outta there.

Such an ambassador...

This actually happened to me, only I was there with a bench gun. 60 benches on the range, and the guy wanted to set up three benches down from me, with me on the ejection side. I also think he tried to shoot up one my wind indicators, but he couldn't hit it.

Now, I've got ARs, and in the past I've owned (and probably will own again...) AKs, Cetmes, etc... And I shoot 'em. But I'm POLITE about it.

Next time someone at your club makes a motion for 2 seconds between shots, or something like that, guess what? Something similar probably happened to them. Our club also had someone lose one over a berm last year, so they all got doubled in height. That money came from other improvements. Yee haw.
 
Pat Ruger said:
I know most everyone knows about this, but for those shooters that are just coming on board...

Gun writers Jim Zumbo (Outdoor Life, G&A, and more) Bill McRae (outdoor author), and Thomas McIntyre (Field & Stream and more) have yet again added to the attack on our second amendment rights, by stating their opinions on AR and AK rifles.

In a nutshell if you haven't read or responded to what Jim Zumbo, as well as Bill McRae and Thomas McIntyre have stated, and whether or not the AR semi auto's appeal to you as a shooter- I have listed below their statements and instructions for easy email response to the email list of some of their current industry sponsors. If you wish to respond (and WE NEED you to!!), please help fight back:

****Jim Zumbo at Outdoor Life:
http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2...t_rifles_.html

Quote:

Assault Rifles For Hunters?

As I write this, I'm hunting coyotes in southeastern Wyoming with Eddie Stevenson, PR Manager for Remington Arms, Greg Dennison, who is senior research engineer for Remington, and several writers. We're testing Remington's brand new .17 cal Spitfire bullet on coyotes.

I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.

I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers."

Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."

This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the prairies and woods.

February 16, 2007 in Hunting

****(post from an industry gun writer David M. Fortier 2-18-07)

As most of you would guess, there is a lot of activity inside the industry right now, despite it being a Sunday.

Another writer Bill McRae has stepped up supporting Zumbo and agreeing with his feelings on banning assault weapons.

Here is a email forwarded to me

On Sunday, February 18, 2007, at 01:17 PM, Bill McRae wrote:

Shirley and Friends
I agree wholeheartedly with Jim on this and I don't give a damn who does or does not like it. Furthermore, I applaud Jim for having
had the courage to say what he said.
Bill McRae

----- Original Message -----
From: Shirley Steffen
To: Karin Levine ; Lamar Underwood ; Bill McRae ; Bob Pilgrim - Taubert ; Ian McMurchy ; John Fasano ; John Phillips ; John Plaster ; Ted Nugent ; Wiley Clapp ; Walt Rauch ; Wayne Van Zwoll ; Lamar Underwood
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:27 AM
Subject: Fwd: Zumbo on 'terrorist rifles' in the hunting fields

He's not alone either, I had Thomas McIntyre get in my face once on a hunt with Swarovski. He was as rabid as an anti-gun piece of sh*t, and felt they should be banned. Bryce Townsley was there and Bryce and I both gave him hell

So Bill McRae and Thomas McIntyre are both pieces of sh*t you should be aware of.

David M. Fortier
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****Email list so far.

All you have to do to reply is write your email letter, then select, copy, and paste all these emails as one into your send address bar and they will all get sent at once.

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hans@ himtnjerky.com
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ashley.rosenfeld@ time4.com
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gregory.baradat@ remington.com
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amanda.gastelum@ time4.com
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bryan.brunson@ time4.com
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Here's a copy of my letter. Feel free to use what you wish:

Dear shooting sports industry companies and corporations,

I would like to notify those of you who support and/or sponsor Jim Zumbo, as well as Bill McRae and Thomas McIntyre- that I will be boycotting your products, and actively promoting your business dealings with these individuals via the internet to every single gun owner, forum, and club I can find to seek out to spread the word.

The AR-15 is the M1 Garand of my generation and also a fine hunting and bench rest shooting rifle and I will not sit by and let these so called second amendment supporting phonies do further damage to our right to keep and bear arms in this great country of ours, by spewing their statements and beliefs amongst your product advertising.

With all sincerity,

Pat
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Outdoor Writer Bill McRae's CORRECT contact info is:

[email protected]
40 Sherman Lane
P.O. Box 160
Choteau, MT 59422-0160
(406) 466-5596
 
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