Gun and Knife Laws working in the UK?

Here is another great example is how safe things are in the UK with guns being banned and not being allowed to carry a pocket knife.

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Thats a low blow.
Thats like saying Cho is an example of how safe America is because we own guns.

I was expecting a study at the very least not an account of an attempted murder & rape

Showing individual cases of murder do not necessarily show a decrease or increase of crime correlating to said laws. You have to show crime statistics over a period of time. And make sure the way the information is collected isnt changed or altered.

Everything I have seen shows these laws do very little to decrease crimes of this nature.

They dont need weapons.

They have taking cameras to protect them, or film there demise.

Sounds like a gun and knife free utopia.
(I don't know how to spell utopia, because there is no such thing)

I does indeed make you wonder why we need so many CCTV cameras here in the UK, I heard on the radio the other day we have more cameras per head of population then any other country in the world, more even than China and North Korea.

Simple truth is that past governments and especially the current one are utterly paranoid about the population over which they govern. When we get a nutcase shoot up a quiet English village or a homosexual paedophile walk into a primary school and shoot a load of children dead they exploit it to the full with widespread and permanent firearm bans.

Rather then say “Why was it possible for a known homosexual paedophile to buy a gun” and “Why when he was reckless with those firearms and had threatened members of the public with them was his licence not revoked and his firearms removed” The government seize the opportunity and ban all handguns of any calibre or type from everyone.

The government has done a good job of demonising the law abiding shooting community by on occasion insinuating that to own a gun somehow implies that you might at any moment walk into a school and shoot dead a dozen five year old kids. As a result fewer and fewer young people are joining shooting clubs due to the stigma and the sport is slowly dieing out, I think in a generation it may even die out altogether.

The irony is of course that violent crime be that by shooting or stabbing has increased since the handgun ban in the UK. There are six hundred illegal firearms (mainly handguns and sub machine guns) smuggled into the UK from Eastern Europe alone every month. In some cities you can buy a handgun and ammunition for less than had you purchased it from a registered firearms dealer. I heard this information from a police officer but you never hear it on the news though because if you did it would make a total mockery of the handgun ban.

There are most probably more illegal owned handguns in circulation now then there were legally owned in 1997 before the ban. By default all of these guns are owned by criminals, many of which are gang members and drug dealers.

Just like in the US this has sparked an arms race as the more guns that are carried by people in the street the more it necessitates the need for personal protection. As a result you go and buy a handgun which of course is illegal and you have to carry about with you just to feel safe when you go about your business which incidentally is also and offence.

As for that guy in the news article above that is happening more and more here in the UK because the government in their wisdom have cut funding on hospitals and institution for the mentally ill. The reason why some of these people were sectioned under the mental health act and locked away is because they are a danger to the public due to illness. Instead some of them now walk the streets without medication which is why these killings take place.

As far as Illegal weapons go, The selection here is much wider due to its proximity to other less restricted countries. It could even be argued that the availability of arms in the U.S. is a retarding factor to the illicit weapons trade there.

Jefferson

As far as Illegal weapons go, The selection here is much wider due to its proximity to other less restricted countries.

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This of course is a main reason why gun control demands more gun control. Every nation that has restricted arms wishes to impose the same or more restrict laws on thier neighbors whether they are other states or other nations. You see it across the board, "Our gun control was becoming such a great success, but ______'s (other nation,state, locality) lax gun laws ruined it by giving people a way to circumvent our control. So we demand more control from these places, don't they care about the children...?"

The truth is that it has always been the business to import from wherever they are available. It is done with drugs, it will be done with firearms. With demand supplies will be found. Even if the entire world had strict gun control, some lone elements would still make them, and wars would still be fought where many of the arms legaly necessary for government would end up in private hands to end up on the black market. There would always be police and military someplace in the world willing to sell arms to others, or with corrupt members that put some of those arms in the hands of criminals. Unfortunately law abiding people would be utterly defenseless against both these criminals, as well as thier government's storm troopers that could implement any policy or genocide or mass arrests/imprisonment's with little immediate resistance.

It could even be argued that the availability of arms in the U.S. is a retarding factor to the illicit weapons trade there.

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It is most definately the reason why the government has control over the majority of arms and the type of arms sold in the US. In the UK the arms that can be bought are numerous and since they are all illegal, full auto firearms are more available than ever. You can purchase a submachinegun or a handgun, your choice, just as easily.
Now if you look at the US the types of arms available and in general circulation are predominantly what the government approves of. This is because legal avenues are provided to easily purchase these arms. These include semi auto firearms of all types, and complex firearm laws that keep agencies like the BATF employed giving them free reign over the firearm owning population allowing them through the pretense of scrutiny of these laws to inspect any premises or investigate any firearm owner.

So technicaly it can be argued that by allowing most citizens legal firearms, you can control the types of firearms present. Of course there is a limitation on this. If the firearms available become so handicapped as to be insufficient to the criminal elements that will still attain them just like anywhere in the world, then they will go through the trouble of importing thier own, which will then be outside the influence and control of the law. However what is handicapped for a private legal owner, like a side by side long barreled shotgun, is quickly converted into a short barreled, stockless firearm little bigger than a handgun for use by criminals. So even the least menacing firearm suitable for hunting can still become deadly criminal weapons (as is widely seen in places like Australia now.) So gun control does not work for the purpose it is sold to the masses.

So while most of us do not support gun control, and this side "benefit" of legalization is not appealing to me, it exists nonetheless. IN A NATION WHERE FIREARMS ARE FREELY AVAILABLE AND LEGAL, THE TYPES OF FIREARMS GENERALY IN CIRCULATION CAN BE LEGISLATED AND CONTROLLED. IN PLACES WHERE THEY ARE GENERALY ILLEGAL, THE TYPES OF FIREARMS IN CIRCULATION ARE THOSE WHICH ARE THE MOST DESIRABLE TO IMPORT.

For example in our nation they can create retarded laws like assault weapon bans, and those firearms in general ceased to be sold. People with money they wanted to spend on a firearm bought something that complied with the laws, and thus the government actualy had control over what the people were arming themselves with. In the UK you have no control over whether they are armed with handguns, or bulk numbers of AK74Us imported from elsewhere. Firearms that are compact, cheap, created en masse and fully automatic. You also have no control over the types of ammunition sold. Armor piercing, incendiary, explosive projectiles, even poison rounds can be traded just as easily as any other. They have lost all control over what is possessed by thier population.

So widely legalized firearms actualy coincides with gun control more than a total ban. With a total ban people no longer decide if they want to risk getting in trouble breaking the law to have a slightly different firearm, or just enjoy what is legal. They get whatever they want because it is all illegal anyways.

Don't forget who the largest supplier of small arms is...governments like US, Great Britain, China, etc.

I also find it ironic that the US government trust Shiites with military weapons, but they don't trust me, an American citizen.

This proves the idea that there are two sets of rules. Governments and the people should have equal political, economic, social, and civil rights. Neither deserves more privileges than the other.