GOA debates Brady Campaign

Pratt laughed at Helmke's suggestion. "If Paul wants to have another policy, maybe he can put a sign up at his house that says, 'No guns in this house,'" he said. "I'd like to see how that works."

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Wow that is one of the first things that I have heard come off of the news that makes sense as of late!

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"You can kill a lot less with a single shot."

Well at least he admits they are not looking to stop at "assault weapons". The proper response would have been, "ok, so its ok if the shooter had access to a single shot and only killed one or two people?"

Get the anti to admit he wants all guns banned, not just some.

Paul Helmke of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence reminded Pratt that "we're not talking about laws" but rather the independent decisions of churches, schools, and private businesses to prohibit guns on their property.

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I think it would have been more effective to call him on the errors in his actual statement. In most states, it is the default by law that schools and churches are criminal protection zones unless affirmative action is taken to the contrary. State colleges and universities could be told to comform their policy to state law which allows legal carry. Private businesses need to be free from chiefs of police coming around and telling them they need to post the sign.

How come

no one mentioned that the AK and the AR are relatively low powered rifles?

Larry did an awesome job, as for Paul Oh well.

Pratt is imperturbable.He always comes through.
He survived the interview with the disgusting Tom Brokaw right after Columbine.He's had my admiration ever since and convinced me to become a GOA member.

What Paul did was continue the assault weapon lie and got away with it. He talked of the assault weapon ban as if it did any good. He made it seem the only reason that these two incidents happened was because the ban expired and if we still had it in place it would not have happened. We know the truth but Mr. and Mrs. America does not know the truth about what the AWB really did or did not do. All they know is what they are told. They were told that letting the assualt weapon ban exipre was the cause of these incidents. He was not corrected. How many non gun people now believe that if we had a assualt weapon ban that these incidents would not have happened. Was is not one of the brady bunch who said the AWB did nothing to crime? Larry Pratt should have jumped all over the lie. Instead he made a funny comment and let the lie become truth to the masses. Larry talked to gun owners and for people who know about guns he did ok. Paul talked to the rest of America and did a better job blamming assault weapons and making sure everyone knew this was NOT JUST ANY PERSON with a concealed weapons permit but a EX LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. A professional with continious trainning and a body guard. Paul did a much better job scoring with the masses than Larry did. This interview did nothing for concealed carry and nothing for semi auto rifles. Larry squandered a opportunity in my opinion. You do not get converts by preaching to the choir. just my .02

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I was impressed by Helmke.

He did a good job of trimming his horns and making sure his tail and pitchfork weren't in view.

I was disappointed that Larry Pratt didn't say that Paul Helmke is a Gucci-wearing wimp.

I was impressed by Helmke.

He did a good job of trimming his horns and making sure his tail and pitchfork weren't in view.

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I love starting off the day with a smile. Thanks!

"the real problem here," he said, "is we make it too easy as a society to get these assault weapons."

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So what would Mr. Helmke and his organization propose to be done about all the semi-auto rifles that are already in the hands of the public? Making them more difficult to procure isn't going to make the weapons go away that are out there now.

I was not impressed by this "debate". First, it was like 2 minutes long. Second, Helmke got to spout off all sorts of BS without being directly confronted on his lies.

Helmke: "...but she was constantly training...people trained and tested..."
Hmm, sounds like most CCW cariers I know, but only a couple of the LEOs I know. Does that little piece of tin and a paycheck that comes from the overlords of the state make you more proficient and responsible with a gun?

From the thread title, I thought we might have been in for a couple hours of Larry Pratt and Paul Helmke agreeing on how much they hate the NRA.

2 minutes isn't a debate, it's enough time for a couple of soundbites.

There have been several debates between the GOA and the Brady's that I have watched live on Fox and Friends. The GOA did a moderately good job, but when the Brady guy completely avoided the issue of "gun free zones", the GOA should have blasted the Brady guy back big time. The Brady guy keep on complaining about AK-47s, which are already illegal and non-existent in this country, which is not the case in Russia, China, Iraq, and Iran just to name a few.

Here's the thing. Helmke is a bald faced liar, who changes his rhetoric to suit the immediate circumstances.

He and the BC claim they are not out to ban guns, yet they support every gun ban there is. The DC gun ban is a fine example. Helmke tried to say that the only reason they support the ban, is because they didn't agree with the Circuit Court judges reasons for overturning it. BS.

Check out the Brady Bunch's website. The claims they make about assault weapons are actually funny. Lot's of nonsense about "spray firing" semi-auto assault rifles "from the hip".

Several THR members, incuding myself, spend a lot of time on the Brady Blog, dispelling the myths, and calling Helmke on his constant lies. It got so bad for Helmke, that he closed the blog to comments. However, the blog also appears on Huffington Post, and we now comment there. The Brady supporters are overwhelmingly outnumbered.

Hey, come and join us. The latest pro 2A newcomer is a graduate student from Virginia Tech. I'll bet that put a knot in Helme's shorts.

"You can kill a lot less with a single shot."
I don't know about that. A Ruger #1 in 7mm Mag could take out anybody within 500 yards or so. It would just involve different tactics.

"You can kill a lot less with a single shot."

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So, the Brady club's position is that one or two people getting killed is not a problem. It's when you have more than 2 or so that it gets tacky.

I am reminded of the joke that ends with "now we're just haggling over the price."

Helmke completely shifted the talk to assualt weapons when the topic was ccw. The Bradys are driving this AWB agenda hard.