Moving from CO (hassle-free zone) to NC-seeking details/advice on rules

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I'll be moving this summer to North Carolina, and I'm dizzy trying to read the rules about gun ownership on their state website. Can someone who knows the plain English of it help me understand. I've lived in Montana where basically you assumed everyone was carrying concealed and no records were required for private sales. I got most of my guns all my life 2nd hand through the newspaper ads. I've lived in Colorado's Western Slopes for the last 5 years with basically the same rules. The only exception really is private sales at gun shows require background checks (but strangely no records required for newspaper ads), and you need to get a permit "on demand" from the Sheriff. Mine took about 4 minutes to acquire.

My specific questions are:

1)What type of "records" do private sales involve? You need a "permit" from the Sheriff to get a private sale purchase of a handgun but not a long gun? Does that involve the standard ATF background check? Like, does the Sheriff do it then gives you a permit or something? What's this permit thing all about with handgun sales? You need one whether buying from FFL's or private, right?

2)Are private sales allowed at gun shows without background checks? Permits are required for hand guns again, right? But not long or assaults?

I've been trying to figure these things out via Google, but its confusing.
 
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Long guns; the only requirement is for a NICS check when buying from a FFL.

Handguns; a purchase permit or CCW is required for ANY transfer of a handgun (even inheritance).

Purchase permits are issued by county sheriffs and the rules vary by county as to number, frequency, etc. for getting permits. In my county, the sheriff is pro-gun and the process is simple. After the initial application when I moved into the state, all I have had to do is call a day in advance for a NICS check update and then pick up as many permits as I want to pay for at $5 each. The permits are good for 5 years.

CCW is "shall issue" but sheriffs can make the process more or less difficult. Once you have a CCW, all you have to do is show your CCW to buy a handgun.
 
Thanks gc70. I think I follow you so far. When you say "Once you have a CCW, all you have to do is show your CCW to buy a handgun.", you mean that and have a permit, or if you have a CCW you don't have to get permits every time you purchase?

So NICS checks are done for the requested permit(s) by the Sheriff, then again by the FFL?

I'm confused about the record of transfer in private sales. What's the "record"? Or is it that you need a purchase permit for these private sales with handguns, and that's the "record of transfer"? But no permit or record of transfer for longs?

gc70, I assume that whatever guns you moved to NC with you didn't require registering?

How are gun shows handled? Do private sales require background checks like in other states for long and hand guns? I assume you need to show up with your handgun permits already in hand?

I've never seen all these rules anywhere I've lived, and I just want to get familiar. I appreciate being indulged about it all.
 
Once you have your CHL (Concealed Handgun License... cause that's all you can conceal in NC. Period) You don't need any other permits to buy anything. All you do is show it for private sales of handguns. When purchasing from an FFL, Handgun or long gun you show your permit and fill out the 4473, but there is no call into NICS. Long guns in the state for private sales require no documentation at all.

If you don't have your CHL you must get permits from your local Sheriff, in Wake county you can get five at a time good for five years (takes about a week to get them in Wake Co.) Our Sheriff is pretty good. Every handgun you buy cost you one permit (private or FFL) also if you buy from a FFL a NICS call is required along with 4473. For long guns from a FFL, only the 4473 and the call. Long guns private, it's cash and carry. Clear as mud right.....
 
welcome to NC, where the laws are in need of a cleaning up for comprehension.

What the last posters said:
Permit or Concealed Carry Permit for purchase of any handgun.


Also worth mentioning are laws for pocket knife blade length as they vary from county to county, and open carry. Blade length of a folder needs to be in compliance with the Sheriff or County legislator's rules, of course. No fixed blade knives can be concealed on your person at all. Open carry is legislated in very ambiguous language, so do that at your own peril.

Depending on where you're moving, the Sheriff will take his sweet time or get a move on with pemits to purchase or a Concealed Carry permit.
 
Yeow, a pretty place to visit but not real firearms friendly if not overly antagonistic. Glad I live in Mississippi where carry in your car, loaded and ready to go, is perfectly legal and, indeed, encouraged. At Lion's Club a mere week ago we were told by the public affairs officer for the Mississippi State Troopers, backed up by a field officer, that they support vehicle carry and CCW because it drops crime - and even told a story, in a positive light, about a woman who leapt out of her truck with a hand cannon and saved an officer almost about to lose a fight.

Ash
 
1)What type of "records" do private sales involve? You need a "permit" from the Sheriff to get a private sale purchase of a handgun but not a long gun? Does that involve the standard ATF background check? Like, does the Sheriff do it then gives you a permit or something? What's this permit thing all about with handgun sales? You need one whether buying from FFL's or private, right?
Private sales of long guns involve nothing. For private sales of handguns, the buyer must give you a pistol purchase permit or present a CCW permit.

2)Are private sales allowed at gun shows without background checks? Permits are required for hand guns again, right? But not long or assaults?
Yes, but some shows may prohibit it in their policies, and yes, permits for handguns only.
 
General Disarray,

Just follow the voluminous, convoluted, and location-specific rules as so ably described by the prior posters and everything will be okay. Unless you are in one of the largest cities, which are generally less gun-friendly, the process is probably not as bad as it sounds.

There is no registration of firearms in North Carolina, so the only thing you need to do about your guns when you move is find a good place to shoot!
 
Thanks all. I'm moving to Asheville (mid-sized city I guess. Anyone know what those Sheriffs are like.

I saw that "edged weapon" stuff in the site I was reading. Is a fixed blade considered concealed only on your person, or is out of site in a vehicle also concealed. Same question for guns. I know "concealed" is different state to state. In Montana a gun is only considered concealed if its on your person covered by clothing. They can be anywhere in the car loaded up. Here in Colorado it's "concealed" if its not in plain site or a locked case. What's the common def in NC?
 
Fun Fact #38:

North Carolina is the only state in the union to require a permit to buy/transfer a crossbow
 
I live near Asheville. You will find that it is a VERY Liberal town. Most people are completely against firearms of any kind. I know people who have had their tires slashed because they drove "gas" gussling diesel trucks. People get their tires slashed if they so much as have an NRA sticker on their car, or "vote for" stickers on their cars for people other than Obama and Hillary. Just be careful!

As for the gun laws, we have decided they make it as complicated and confusing as possible, to discourage people from them in general. Just always buy with a purchase permit for record purposes, don't shoot anyone, etc. We are just about ready to move to SC...
 
I saw that "edged weapon" stuff in the site I was reading. Is a fixed blade considered concealed only on your person, or is out of site in a vehicle also concealed. Same question for guns. I know "concealed" is different state to state. In Montana a gun is only considered concealed if its on your person covered by clothing. They can be anywhere in the car loaded up. Here in Colorado it's "concealed" if its not in plain site or a locked case. What's the common def in NC?

concealed is left up to the officer... it can mean that the weapon wasnt visible when he approached your car window... so in theory, an open holster on your right hip can be considered concealed...
 
Brenainn, are you saying that just the people are liberals, or that the Sheriff's are also "very liberal" and therefore will drag feet on CHL's and permits, etc?

I keep my opinions/politics/business close to my lapel so-to-speak, and I don't tend to make what others think/believe my business as well. What Sheriff's think and do are a bit more curious to me than what some hippies will think of me, ya know? I get what you're saying, but liberals don't cause me much concern. I'm just learning about what I can expect from the law, see? I've lived in relatively crime free rural areas (probably cause almost everyone's packing ;)), and I want to know what's expected of me in a populated "highly regulated" area.

So what are those Buncombe County Sheriff's like that you all have seen?
 
Asheville is a great place to live. I just moved from there to the Charlotte area so I could make more money.
I loved it there.

The recently elected Sheriff is a pretty decent guy. He's a Dem. I believe, but is a younger former street cop instead of an older type of Sheriff you might stereotypically picture in the South. Nice guy too.
Most people in Asheville are transplants like yourself including LEOs. Quite a few of the officers there are from larger cities up North and in the midwest. As a group, they have their heads on pretty straight and are basically bracing for the coming infestation and population explosion of meth addicts. Asheville is a big marijuana town so they generally don't get in a twist over the little stuff and seem to concentrate on harsher offenses like meth etc.
Permits won't be a problem with the Sheriff in office now in Buncombe county. If you live in an outlying county where natives and locals actually live instead of transplants, you'll find that there are still pro-gun Sheriffs in office that are very good about permits to buy and carry.

The homeless population is very large in Asheville, but they are relatively harmless. They just seem to be attracted to Asheville for all the social programs, free food, etc.
Having said that, don't let Asheville fool you. It's just as easy to get mugged coming out of Jack of the Wood pub as it is to get mugged in NYC. And, there are a lot of shady characters mixed in with the majority of good people.

Shooting ranges:
Indoor- On Target Nice people run that place and they have a pretty broad selection of firearms for sale and rental. Prices are fair. IDPA/ bowling pin shoots, concealed classes, etc.
Outdoor- Asheville rifle and pistol club Someone told me they shut down, but I haven't researched it. If you are into club/IDPA shooting, take a trip to nearby boone and visit the outdoor range there. It's a nice facility.

If you live in the county (outside city limits) you can shoot outdoors, but a recent "Persistent noise" ordinance means neighbors can call the fuzz on you for shooting too much and bothering them with the noise.

NC laws about plain view sound the same as CO.
 
""Persistent noise" ordinance means neighbors can call the fuzz on you for shooting too much and bothering them with the noise."

That can be two shots. Having an "activist" neighbor can ruin a whole lot. I got arrested because a client of mine had a transplant, an "activist" neighbor, who hated logging. Well, my neighbor was legally cutting his trees, was legally using the easement he acquired from Weyerhaueser, and the loggers were using correctly-loaded trucks. I drove up to inspect everything and said "activist" neighbor told me of his complaints. I was polite and told him logging would be complete by the end of the week and that if there were any problems for him to call me. I gave him a card and told him we always worked on a good neighbor policy and that I would try to make sure everything was done as quickly and with as little disruption in this guy's life as possible. He took my card and that was that...

Until the Washington Parish Sheriff's office called me several days later with a warrant for my arrest. I asked them what I was accused of doing, and they told me it was malicious trespass. It was the neighbor, who claimed I was maliciously trespassing on his property. This was impossible because we had our conversation on the Weyerhauser road, about half-way to the paved road (this guy also used said timber company road). I had never been to this guy's house. I told the sheriff's office that I had never been to this guy's house, had spoken to him on a timber company road that I had an easement on. This guy had evidently told the sheriff's office that he owned the road. Fortunately things were able to be taken care of on the phone and I never had to surrender myself, though I was technically under arrest until things were sorted out.

This "activist" was trying anything he could to stop my client from cutting his trees. I was made the target. Have a care that such "neighbors" will not call the cops because you shot half a magazine at a target. The trouble is that current neighbors may be fine, but new ones a year down the road may not be. Ask the chicken farmers in north Mississippi who are facing "new" ordinances because urbanites moved to the country and discovered they hated the smell.

But, I digress.

Ash
 
Read up on NC's "weapons of mass death and destruction" laws.

The Taurus Judge is regulated like an atom bomb.
 
Open carry is totally legal in NC and court protected.

Unlike most states

Taurus Judge is treated like any other pistol in NC. It is simply a rifled bore pistol
 
Well, I kind of meant that the whole mindset leans more toward Liberal. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of nice locals, but as wheelgunslinger said, most people are implants from the north. They generally don't want anything to do with anything firearms related. Everything wheelgunslinger, said is correct though.

I know people who have had the cops persistently called on them for target practicing every now and then in their back yards. They lived in the outer city limits off of a semi-country/rural road. The Sheriff deputies seemed to be very understanding though. It's just those activist, hippie, liberal neighbors that will give you a hard time with stuff like that. Ash's story is an example.

All that being said, I love Asheville and visit there a lot. They have great music, entertainment, food, and cultural community, etc. It's a fun place to visit, but I don't think I would want to live there.

Good luck with your move!
 
You'll notice NC is #13 according to the Brady dudes. (That means NC is #37 for us)

I was looking at Boston Tea Party's state rankings in the back of his "Gun Bible", and he puts NC at 66% out of a possible 100%. That's not nearly as bad as some can get. He has 10 issues that he assigns 10 points to for a possible 100 points, right? He gave NC a zero in the first category of "Private sale records" which I guess is important to him. Most categories important to me he gives a 10.

So, am I correct that the "private sale records" are just that the seller keeps the permit you give them that was issued by the sheriff, or the CHL #? Is this filed somewhere?
 
The seller is supposed to hang onto it, for an undefined period of time. I very strongly recommend obtaining your NC CHL asap once you're here, it has made my life immeasurably easier.
 
Live in SC

Depends on work location and how much you want to drive, but SC is very gun friendly and NC honors SC CC permits.
 
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